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ackmondual Regular Member
Joined: 10 Jan 2018 Posts: 16 Location: U.S.A., Earth
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:03 am Post subject: Juggling multiple instruments? |
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For those of you who play multiple instruments, any experiences and tips to share?
I'm playing euphonium as my primary instrument, but self learning flute since I have a hand-me-down instrument. I was thinking buying a trumpet since that's what I started off on, but would like to hear more and what instruments they deal with at the same time.
I'm not a professional. I'm playing mostly for fun, but also that when community band resumes, it makes getting back into that all the more smoothly. |
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SMrtn Veteran Member
Joined: 29 Oct 2014 Posts: 367 Location: Spain
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Best thing I can say is good luck with it. It's tough being a multi-instrumentalist. You cannot serve two (or more) masters, and instrument learning is a hard taskmaster as you well know.
I play - or attempt to play - three instruments, a saxophone, trumpet, and violin. I was classically trained with violin as a youngster, and play competently on that instrument. Took up saxophone as self taught, and almost competent, and then I met senor trumpet. And that was the end of me. I haven't picked up my violin for many months, and almost the same with sax.
You may not be as I am, but once you become obsessed with one over another, you won't have time for the others. Ahh well, I'm resigned to it. |
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THE BD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:28 am Post subject: |
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If you want to do it, go for it! I regularly play both sax and trumpet, as well as other woodwinds and brass. I have gigs in a few bands where I go from one to the other in the same gig.
Important thing to remember is to give each instrument the respect and attention it needs and deserves with dedicated practice time for each instrument. _________________ Martin D Williams
Yeah, I did that! |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I took up bass trumpet a few years ago and it has become my go to instrument. Just love it. And on top of that, playing the bass trumpet really helps my trumpet playing. I typically practice most on the bass trumpet and then switch to flugel or trumpet. Almost ready to switch within a gig ...
If I had the time I’d pick up tuba and electric bass (yeah, I know I should just use the time to practice ). _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9014 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I would advise treating each instrument as a stand-alone. Don't ty to look for parallels between instruments, i.e. playing a large trumpet mouthpiece so then playing a large sax mouthpiece. Play whatever setup works on a given instrument, in and of itself.
Keep in mind that some instruments do one thing easier than on another instrument. Don't be deluded that this is easy and that is hard. All instruments have combinations of that. IMO they all have challenges and will catch up with you sooner or later.
Covering the range of a piano is simple while the same thing on trumpet is difficult. Playing with three fingers on trumpet is easy compared to playing with ten fingers on piano.
Take it with some patience and enjoyment. Good luck.
(I have played French Horn, Trumpet, Soprano. Alto and Tenor saxes and Flute, professionally.) _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:37 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: |
Playing with three fingers on trumpet is easy compared to playing with ten fingers on piano.
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This is not true. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2412 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:06 am Post subject: |
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It works for some, it doesn't work for other. I'm primarily a trumpet player, and double on piano. I have regular gigs on both trumpet and piano in a jazz duo/trio format. For me, a second instrument works out well. I alternate between the two during my daily practice (30 minutes on each, back and forth). I suppose it also simplifies things that I have the same playing goals on both instruments (playing jazz in duo/trio formats).
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:43 am Post subject: |
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delano wrote: | kehaulani wrote: |
Playing with three fingers on trumpet is easy compared to playing with ten fingers on piano.
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This is not true. |
Compared to using all ten fingers? It is in my experience. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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Didymus Veteran Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Posts: 306 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:27 pm Post subject: Horn, Piano, bucket list |
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I started my music journey on recorder and I can still play it. I was one of the strange kids who went to the library and borrowed recordings of professional recorder players in historically informed ensembles, mostly so I could hear how the instrument was supposed to sound.
I played horn in junior high and high school. I never did like it as much as playing the trumpet, except for the challenge of hand-stopping. I never did quite get the right touch for that particular skill, but I enjoyed trying. I don't own a horn and I have not touched one since 10th grade.
During my very long time off the trumpet I learned how to play the piano. I'm not performance-quality in my playing, at least for the style of music I originally aspired to play. One thing I immediately noticed was that the piano had a much more forgiving learning curve that the trumpet, at least for me. IIRC, it took me several weeks to learn how to make a simple song sound decent on the trumpet, while I was making listenable music with the piano within 2 days. It's also much easier to maintain what skill I have at piano. At most I practice 15-30 minutes every other day and maybe I can get in a solid hour on Sundays.
My bucket list of instruments to try to learn to play includes bassoon, ondes Martenot, hurdy-gurdy, musette de cour, and baroque cornetto. I'm told that the cornetto has a fingering scheme which is very similar to the recorder. And yes, there are affordable versions of all those instruments available in this day and age. Except for the bassoon. Incredibly, I know where to get a better deal on an ondes than a quality bassoon. I kid not about that. The catch is that I may have to wait up to 2 years for the ondes to be made for me, unless I find an earlier version of the maker's instrument on an auction site like reverb.com. _________________ Enjoy the journey. |
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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Each instrument has something different to teach you. From trumpet, I get strength, because you can't play without chops. Trombone gives me ears, because it's so easy to be off-pitch - you have to always listen actively. Tuba gives me air power, because filling the horn with air (*and making it resonate - not pushing it through) requires a steady air stream. Horn gives me focus, because the partials are so close together you have to be on top of it mentally to make it work. Picc gives me headaches. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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JensenW Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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I also play multiple instruments. I play the organ for pleasure, and of course perform for the wife. I am studying electrical guitar for two years now. The guitar is a beguiling instrument, seemingly simple, and incredibly complicated. There are a lot of guitar players, few real masters. And of course, I am trying to make a comeback with the trumpet.
I am retired, so have time to devote to practicing two instruments. That is the main issue with multiples is practice time. I practice guitar for between one and two hours a day. Trumpet practice time is limited by my endurance. But as that increases, I suspect the time for trumpet will also end up being between one and two hours as well. Especially for trumpet, this time is usually broken into twenty minute periods separated by an hour or so. _________________ Wade
Yamaha YTR 737
The goal is to be a better trumpeter today than I was yesterday. |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I totally agree with dershem. Bass trumpet playing taught me more about listening and intonation in the last three years than all the trumpet years before. So, quite similar to dershems trombone example. I don’t play picc but still get headaches sometimes _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:52 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | delano wrote: | kehaulani wrote: |
Playing with three fingers on trumpet is easy compared to playing with ten fingers on piano.
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Compared to using all ten fingers? It is in my experience. |
The interface of the three valve instruments is the most difficult of all the systems (maybe together with the guitar with his asymmetrical tuning).
The instruments like piano and also clarinet, saxophone and so on, are pure intuitive, on a piano from left to right for low to high, on the woodwinds up and down for the same purposes. That's one of the reasons these instruments are more quickly learned and sound quite soon virtuoso.
All the scales on these instruments follow the same movement. But on trumpet every scale has a complete different fingering, reason why you have to practice scales on a trumpet till you drop dead. And one of the reasons it takes quite more time to play something worth listening to on a trumpet. |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:08 am Post subject: |
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delano wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | delano wrote: | kehaulani wrote: |
Playing with three fingers on trumpet is easy compared to playing with ten fingers on piano.
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This is not true. |
Compared to using all ten fingers? It is in my experience. |
The interface of the three valve instruments is the most difficult of all the systems (maybe together with the guitar with his asymmetrical tuning).
The instruments like piano and also clarinet, saxophone and so on, are pure intuitive, on a piano from left to right for low to high, on the woodwinds up and down for the same purposes. That's one of the reasons these instruments are more quickly learned and sound quite soon virtuoso.
All the scales on these instruments follow the same movement. But on trumpet every scale has a complete different fingering, reason why you have to practice scales on a trumpet till you drop dead. And one of the reasons it takes quite more time to play something worth listening to on a trumpet. |
Added to that, is the necessity to sing each note in tune, in tempo, with the right dynamics and accentuation - with your lips. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:42 am Post subject: |
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This about fingering.
You could have as gnarly a finger combination to play on trumpet as the same on piano but double the fingers. Same finger combination X 2. That would make it doubly hard for me. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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deleted_user_02066fd New Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Many, many years ago when I was taking lessons with Carmine Caruso, he told me that flute was a good double for a trumpet player. As the years went on and I took flute for my mus ed degree I began to play it rather well. I performed in public several times on flute over the years. I enjoyed it and when I was still playing trumpet regularly it didn't interfere with my trumpet playing. I did end up selling it at a pawn shop along with several other instruments when I retired from teaching! |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:10 am Post subject: |
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I have played both trumpet and guitar continuously for over 35 years, and on gigs with both during many of those years.
My only tip is to pick just one instrument you want to be a gear junkie with. _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
Greg Black MPs
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Mr. K, the problem is sure not your counting. |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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I played Euphonium and Trumpet for many years. Euphonium developed my use of air and had a positive effect on my trumpet playing. Transitioning from one to the other made me focus on embouchure development and seemed to help on both ends of my range. The only caveat that I found was the necessity to give somewhat equal playing time to keep both working well.
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
Reeves 41 Rimmed Mouthpieces |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I found out that playing trumpet develops your breathing technique much further than playing saxophone. With 10+ years of trumpet, saxophone is much easier to double on. |
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