Having to push my lower lip out to maintain buzz ascending

[texasdav]

I recently went through Smile Direct (like Invisalign) adjustment to my teeth. The lower teeth used to bow out.

The lower teeth are somewhat pulled back in alignment with the upper teeth now, or at least more so.

I've been struggling to adjust my embouchure, and now find that to maintain a buzz/sound as I ascend, I have to push my lower lip out a bit.

Is this weird, wrong--what say you? Thank you.

[wilder]

get a teacher

[JayKosta]

Are you 'rolling' (placing) your lower lip in relation to your teeth in a way that you didn't before?
Are you using your jaw to adjust the mouthpiece pressure on your lower lip?
Do you feel a difference in the amount of mouthpiece pressure on your lower lip than before?
Do you feel that you are 'blowing into the mouthpiece' in a different manner than before?
Is there any pain or injury to your lower lip?

Jay
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[texasdav]

I am just pushing my lower lip out as I ascend a bit to maintain sound production.

Everything else (air flow..., pressure) is the same I think.

I am in a period of confusion, but will persist on.

Have good tone in the middle to low range, but when I get to F, G, and on up I sometimes lose sound quality....get junk

[pepperdean]

The best thing would be to get a good teacher to give it a look. However, beware of a teacher with one set of routines or one that begins with an embouchure change.

You said your teeth are in a different - not as forward - position. The lip will have different support on set up and throughout your playing. It may just need time to gradually change its position and balance. Thinking of keeping the tongue forward may help.

Best wishes,
Alan

[Tpt_Guy]

Your embouchure could be accustomed to certain physical positioning and perhaps what's happening is you're pushing out to recreate that position.

Give it time. Practice fundamentals: Clarke, (as instructed) Arban, lip slurs, flow studies, etc. Your chops should re-orient themselves but it will take some time.

And as previously mentioned, get a teacher. I second the comment that it should not be a teacher who opens with embouchure changes. A good teacher will give you instruction that will result in a strong, dependable, and well-formed embouchure without even telling you.
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[trpt.hick]

Puckering the lower lip forward is good. I hope you are not merely moving the lower jaw forward, though. Try lots of lip bends . . . half step down, whole step down, minor third down. If you play them with a forte (beefy) sound, you know you are puckering the lower lip correctly. If the bent notes sound and feel flimsy, weak, unstable, , , not enough pucker going on.

Some people pucker the lower lip AND bring the lower jaw slightly forward for lip bends and pedal tones. That is OK if needed. Main thing is to go by the sound and secure feeling of the embouchure against the mouthpiece.

I have a YouTube video on lip bends, and another one on pedal tones. They may help.

David Hickman

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