Jazz players playing Olds?

kehaulani · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:54 am Post subject: Jazz players playing Olds?

A recent thread about Olds got me to thinking - are/were there any known jazz players who played Olds trumpets? And what models? I'm just curious. Thanks.
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Jon Arnold · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 2025

I think Carl Saunders plays an Olds flugelhorn. Other than that, I am not sure.

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Clark Terry

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Jonah Jones supposedly performed on Olds trumpets mid-century. I think he played multiple Olds models over about 25 years, but the only one I see referenced is a Super. He later switched to King.

The Smithsonian has a mangled Ambassador that was owned by Andrew Blakeney – but I really doubt he would have performed on an Ambassador. There are a number of pictures where he appears to be playing a trumpet that resembles a Selmer or other French make, and I found a picture late in life with a Strad, but no Ambassador.

Mendez, of course, was the biggest name linked to Olds, but I imagine that the handful of Jazz classics in his tour repertoire is not what was meant by the question.

The only person I currently know making a living performing in the genre on real FE Olds instruments, though cornet, is Nick DeCarlis (yes, that 80+ year old Olds Standard in the home page photo has a hammered bell).

There is Rob Zinn, who I guess you could say is, among other things, a jazz trumpeter. He endorses Phaeton, which is another brand of the importer that now owns the Olds name, and Phaeton is declared to be a division of Olds.
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delano · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:14 am Post subject:

In the famous player-horn site you can find some information.
Some players I don't know but of the more well known ones I mention: Uan Rasey, Rec., Rafael Mendez, Mendez, Rec., Booker Little, Rec., Louis Prima, Amb. Rec., Red Nichols, Super, Blue Mitchell, Super, Jonah Jones, Super, Mike Vax, Rec., and some more like Lee collins, Tony Fisher, Jon Erik Kellso, and some who played incidentally an Olds cornet or trumpet: Freddie Hubbard, Lee Morgan, Rex Stewart, Bobby Hackett, Wild Bill Davison, Don Cherry.

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Goby · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Posts: 650

Famous improvisers who used Olds would be:

Clark Terry (Olds CT signature trumpet and flugel)

Booker Little (Recording)

Carmell Jones (Recording)

Ryan Kisor (pre-WWII Super trumpet and cornet, Super Recording, Mendez)

Kenny Rampton has on Olds Mendez but I don't think he plays it with Jazz At Lincoln Center

I think Roy Hargrove played an Ambassador for a brief period

Lee Morgan played an Ambassador cornet on some recordings and live performances. I think he used an ambassador trumpet on occasion as well.

I'm sure there are more, but this is all I can remember at the moment.

kehaulani · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:14 pm Post subject:

Thanks, folks!
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A_Ason · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:34 pm Post subject:

The Swedish jazz trumpeter Karl Olandersson (great player, check him out!) plays an Olds Recording.
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falado · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:43 pm Post subject:

The last time I saw Rich Willy he was playing a silver plated Olds Super.

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yourbrass · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:14 pm Post subject:

Blue Mitchell and his Olds Super - great sound.
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kehaulani · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:19 pm Post subject:

Do these Recordings and Supers lean towards bright, MOR or darkish sounds? And how does their physical weight compare to other standard horns? Thanks.
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gwood66 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:22 pm Post subject:

My super - horn was heavy and tone was on the dark side.
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thomasmarriott · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:32 pm Post subject:

Last time I saw Phillip Harper he had an Olds Special.
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The Olds Recording I play is a little heavier and has a darker tone too, though it can really brighten up if you push it. Recordings are also pretty sensitive to the mouthpiece used to play it.

kehaulani · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:36 am Post subject:

Thanks again, folks.
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Brad361 · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:02 am Post subject:

mike ansberry · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:53 pm Post subject:

I have a Super with the brass tone ring from the 1940's. It is kinda light and pretty bright.

I have a Super fro the 1970's. It is a bit heavier than the older one but to me feels like a pretty normal weight for trumpet. It is not super bright, but will light up when needed. It works well in any situation. I can play in concert band, big band, and rock band with it.

I have a Recording from the 1960's. It is a pretty dark playing instrument. Very much like my Eclipse MR. Great for legit and small groups, but too much work to play lead on.

My favorite horn is my Super Recording. It plays very much like my Super from the 1970s. It is a great horn that works in any situation. The thing that makes it special is that it is very forgiving. For some reason that I can't explain I rarely crack a note with it. The slots are just very sure footed.

I'd like to get my hands on a P-13 Clark Terry Custom Crafted.
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kehaulani · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:17 pm Post subject:

Mike, is the Olds your go-to horn or some other brand?
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