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sjbanko New Member
Joined: 09 Sep 2022 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:32 pm Post subject: question on receiver fit |
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I picked up a 2m and 3m to see what I think. Finish looks and feels gr8. My normal mouthpiece has a Giardinelli 6 rim which feels like if falls between the Lotus 2 and 3. Feeling can be deceptive as it also seems to have a softer bite than my usual mouthpiece. Does feel very open and a bit uncontrollable, notes do feel closer.
My one issue is the fit to the receiver. I tried the two lotus pieces in my normal horn, a Kanstul and they seem to wiggle a lot, they seem to fit someplace deeper in the receiver and never quite seem to snug up with the entrance. The wobble is in any direction so not a bent receiver. The Bach shank and GR shanks fit fine. I then tried all 4 mouthpieces in a Reeves trumpet with the same results. Anyone else encounter this? |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2052 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:44 am Post subject: |
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I have a 3S-N (new version) that I rarely play. It doesn’t wiggle at all, not in the Bach and not in the Schmidt.
Interesting comment on the rim: I find the Lotus has a significantly sharper inner edge than my AR resonance pieces and also the GR pieces I used to play. Less comfortable for me than AR or GR. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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acritzer Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 827 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:47 am Post subject: Re: question on receiver fit |
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sjbanko wrote: | I picked up a 2m and 3m to see what I think. Finish looks and feels gr8. My normal mouthpiece has a Giardinelli 6 rim which feels like if falls between the Lotus 2 and 3. Feeling can be deceptive as it also seems to have a softer bite than my usual mouthpiece. Does feel very open and a bit uncontrollable, notes do feel closer.
My one issue is the fit to the receiver. I tried the two lotus pieces in my normal horn, a Kanstul and they seem to wiggle a lot, they seem to fit someplace deeper in the receiver and never quite seem to snug up with the entrance. The wobble is in any direction so not a bent receiver. The Bach shank and GR shanks fit fine. I then tried all 4 mouthpieces in a Reeves trumpet with the same results. Anyone else encounter this? |
I have had several Lotus pieces…quality control seemed to be an issue, at least at first. Some of the first couple I received did not fit snugly. If you email Charley they will exchange them for you. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9013 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:16 am Post subject: Re: question on receiver fit |
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acritzer wrote: | sjbanko wrote: | My one issue is the fit to the receiver. | I have had several Lotus pieces…quality control seemed to be an issue, at least at first. Some of the first couple I received did not fit snugly. |
I recently received a 7L and have no problem fitting it into a Yamaha Shew Z or a Benge 3X.
And I don't know if this mpc. will be my primary but I really like it. A little bigger than I'm used to (not big) and a softer feeling rim. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn |
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richj50 Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I sort of wish that the Lotus pieces were still more open in design. I bought a 2XL2 in bronze and it felt very focused and narrow in blow coming from a Monette Prana, Pitch was right on the money though and it was easy to play upper register stuff, and it didn't go flat as you play louder, Still, not right for me. I listed it for sale here. |
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richj50 Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Question — The cup of my new Lotus mouthpiece is not polished. It is a satin finish. Is that normal for these mouthpieces? I just want to make sure it’s not defective. |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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richj50 wrote: | Question — The cup of my new Lotus mouthpiece is not polished. It is a satin finish. Is that normal for these mouthpieces? I just want to make sure it’s not defective. |
Yes that is the new finish _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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ThatDude Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Anybody tried the extra deep Flugel pieces? |
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ENINCA Veteran Member
Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 185 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:50 am Post subject: |
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ThatDude wrote: | Anybody tried the extra deep Flugel pieces? |
I've been playing a Lotus 3XL flugel MP and I love it. _________________ "Some days you get up and put the horn to your chops and it sounds pretty good and you win. Some days you try and nothing works and the horn wins. This goes on and on and then you die and the horn wins." -Dizzy Gillespie |
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Stewart Kirwan New Member
Joined: 29 Dec 2015 Posts: 9 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Will Lotus mouthpieces work with my Monette trumpet? (2000LT silver plated)
I've been using a Reeves 42WS with my Bach 37LT trumpet, and need an equivalent mouthpiece for the Monette horn. I've tried a couple of Monette pieces but no luck. |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Stewart Kirwan wrote: | Will Lotus mouthpieces work with my Monette trumpet? (2000LT silver plated)
I've been using a Reeves 42WS with my Bach 37LT trumpet, and need an equivalent mouthpiece for the Monette horn. I've tried a couple of Monette pieces but no luck. |
If the monette uses the standard shank mouthpieces and not the screw in mouthpieces yes, the lotus will work fine. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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Stewart Kirwan New Member
Joined: 29 Dec 2015 Posts: 9 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Chief! So the length of the Lotus is the same as the Monette design? (ie shorter than the Reeves) |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Stewart Kirwan wrote: | Thanks Chief! So the length of the Lotus is the same as the Monette design? (ie shorter than the Reeves) | the lotus pieces I have are shorter than the Bach and other standard pieces I have had. I have not had a Monette as of yet, but should tomorrow. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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Stewart Kirwan New Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! |
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acritzer Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Posts: 827 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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chef8489 wrote: | Stewart Kirwan wrote: | Thanks Chief! So the length of the Lotus is the same as the Monette design? (ie shorter than the Reeves) | the lotus pieces I have are shorter than the Bach and other standard pieces I have had. I have not had a Monette as of yet, but should tomorrow. |
The Lotus’s I have are different length based on the cup. All of them are shorter than “traditional” Bach length pieces. The L is the longest, M slightly shorter, S shorter still. Charley has confirmed with me this is by design. |
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Stewart Kirwan New Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers! |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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@ ThatDude, sorry for the late response: yes, I did own a 7XL flugel piece in bronze. Major problem was that their American shank did not fit my American shank flugelhorn (the one in the signature - one of these darn Morse taper issues, I reckon).
As flugel is my doublers-doublers instrument (after trumpet, then bass trumpet, then a little baritone, then flugel) getting a fitting leadpipe to just check out the piece seemed a little overkill and I passed on that option.
However, I did also try it out on a ca 1900 Josef Lidl rotary C trumpet I had for a while and (although not a perfect fit) the sound was pretty impressive. The fact that the bell of that instrument was a little on the flugel-ish side with a relatively fast taper, but still not very large diameter may have added to the sound. Might be an interesting option if playing with a choir. The sound was really warm but in my perception less diffuse than, say, with a super deep Wick flugel piece. I did like the Lotus sound better. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Stewart Kirwan wrote: | Thanks Chief! So the length of the Lotus is the same as the Monette design? (ie shorter than the Reeves) |
The monette stc 1 I got in today is barely shorter than the 1l2 lotus I have been playing on. Maybe a mm or less. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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kevin_soda Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2015 Posts: 558 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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acritzer wrote: | chef8489 wrote: | Stewart Kirwan wrote: | Thanks Chief! So the length of the Lotus is the same as the Monette design? (ie shorter than the Reeves) | the lotus pieces I have are shorter than the Bach and other standard pieces I have had. I have not had a Monette as of yet, but should tomorrow. |
The Lotus’s I have are different length based on the cup. All of them are shorter than “traditional” Bach length pieces. The L is the longest, M slightly shorter, S shorter still. Charley has confirmed with me this is by design. |
The Stork Studio Masters are designed with the length of the shank to balance the perceived resistance of the cup/throat/backbore combinations. But they don't cost as much...
_________________ Kevin |
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Dave CCM/SSO Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Friends!
I have never played a Lotus, but since Stork was mentioned........I think you should all try a Stork mouthpiece!
They really are fantastic, and Phyllis is incredibly helpful. Their product is very reasonable priced, and you can order any rim/cup/throat/backbore combination you want!!
Thats all I have to say about that.
I'm sure that Lotus is doing some cool stuff, and I don't mean to take away from the conversation. I just think Stork is doing great work.
Back to your regular scheduled programming _________________ Dave
Springfield Symphony Orchestra (OH)
- www.springfieldsym.org
Seven Hills Brass
- http://www.facebook.com/sevenhillsbrass |
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