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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:31 pm Post subject: Arban practice |
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Im planning on really zoning in on fundamentals in the coming weeks (Its been too long!) and will of course use the Arban. Looking for new ways to practice out of the Arban, something that will shock me into improvement! Please leave some advice, routines, and your personal Arban practice preferences. Thanks !
note: previously I've just skipped around in the scale, multiple tonguing, and arpeggio studies. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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You might be interested in this:
https://bolvinmusic.com/product/arban-manual/ _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:05 pm Post subject: ! |
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very interesting, thanks! |
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trumpetchops Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Arban practice |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | Im planning on really zoning in on fundamentals in the coming weeks (Its been too long!) and will of course use the Arban. Looking for new ways to practice out of the Arban, something that will shock me into improvement! Please leave some advice, routines, and your personal Arban practice preferences. Thanks !
note: previously I've just skipped around in the scale, multiple tonguing, and arpeggio studies. |
I don't think this is what you're looking for but, shock you, yes
Go to the characteristic studies, slow it down and look for different way to phrase. Don't be locked in by the bar lines or beam. Think of the phrase ending on the first note of the next measure or, whatever. Try to make the same notes say something different each time you play them. _________________ Joe Spitzer
Monroe Ct. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Arban practice |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | Im planning on really zoning in on fundamentals in the coming weeks (Its been too long!) ... |
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It depends on what 'fundamentals' you want to improve.
If your fundamentals involving sound production, tone quality, and embouchure for high range are all good, then just play exercises that force you to work on your weaknesses.
If you have trouble with sound production or embouchure-related high range issues, then using the written instructions and exercises in Arban's might not be enough to teach you about the necessary skills. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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drboogenbroom Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I'm a big fan of Eric's book and it is one of my go to ways to work through Arban's if I'm just looking to make all around improvements to my playing (as opposed to needing to improve something specific on a timeline.)
Worth remembering is that there are no magic exercises. Beyond some initial improvements that are typical of exposure to a novel stimulus, it really comes down to how you practice the exercise and most people really need a teacher to help with that.
Kevin _________________ By concentrating on precision, one arrives at technique, but by concentrating on technique one does not arrive at precision.
Bruno Walter |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies this far. I actually bought Eric’s book and went through the first lesson today. I’ll supplement that with some jazz material and etudes and start the grind |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Be open minded. The Arban exercises are wonderful as written, but that's just a starting point for continued development.
Take an exercise you like and play it in every key -- don't transpose, just change the key signature.
Single tongue an exercise, then play it again k-tongued, double or triple tongued (as appropriate) at the same tempo, and then again as fast as you can cleanly play it.
Change slur patterns and articulation.
Play them up an octave and/or add octave displacements.
Reverse dynamics (if written) and add dynamic extremes. How softly or loudly can you play them while still playing them cleanly without the sound breaking.
Add note bends.
There are years and years of fun ahead of you! |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:19 pm Post subject: Arbans Practice |
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Hi
I just started practicing out of the Arban book. How many times should you practice each page before moving on? |
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gwood66 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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+1 for Eric's Arban Manual. Do yourself a favor and pick up the St Jacome manual while you are at it.
The Prescott System is another method for working through the Arban. It is also laid out into weekly lessons.
Good luck. _________________ Gary Wood (comeback player with no street cred)
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I just started practicing out of the Arban book. How many times should you practice each page before moving on? |
A book like Arban's method is one you can productively practice from for the rest of your playing days. If you are at the stage where your primary focus is on developing skills, then practice each exercise you are working on for a week or two before moving on.
If your primary focus is on maintaining skills, then you may hone in on the exercises that best cover the "fundamentals" bases for you and play them daily as part of a longer-term routine.
It is worth emphasizing that you'll get the best value out of Arban or any other book you are practicing from f you are working with a teacher who can help you figure out what to practice and how to do so. If that is not possible, then the aforementioned Arban Manual by Eric Bolvin is a useful guide through Arban.
Good luck! |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Riffing off of that last statement, if you are not paying specific care in how your embouchure, air flow, tongue etc. are working, you are just refining bad habits.
They are much harder to correct and get back on the right path than doing it right in the first place. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:02 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Riffing off of that last statement, if you are not paying specific care in how your embouchure, air flow, tongue etc. are working, you are just refining bad habits.
They are much harder to correct and get back on the right path than doing it right in the first place. |
I used to play in grade school and just started again. I'm 48 I did ask my old teacher he said my embouchure is good but I try to pay attention to it. I'm getting good tones. |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:05 am Post subject: |
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gwood66 wrote: | +1 for Eric's Arban Manual. Do yourself a favor and pick up the St Jacome manual while you are at it.
The Prescott System is another method for working through the Arban. It is also laid out into weekly lessons.
Good luck. |
I'll check out Erics I also work out of Claude Gordons approach to practice and Carmine Caruso. I would like to play Jazz one day and hopefully some of these lessons will help get me there. |
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khedger Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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One thing I always remind students of -- on most of the Arban exercises, if you look at the bottom, you'll find different 'models' to practice the same exercise on. They're written in smaller script. This essentially means that a page of exercises becomes several pages of exercises based on the number of 'models'. I think he talks about them in the introductory text. Practicing these really expands on the usefulness of the Urban book.
Keith |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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khedger wrote: | One thing I always remind students of -- on most of the Arban exercises, if you look at the bottom, you'll find different 'models' to practice the same exercise on. They're written in smaller script. This essentially means that a page of exercises becomes several pages of exercises based on the number of 'models'. I think he talks about them in the introductory text. Practicing these really expands on the usefulness of the Urban book.
Keith |
Keith I haven't noticed that but I will check it out. Thanks for the tip |
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