AR Resonance trumpets

[kerouack]

Thank you, I was checking Chad McCullough last album. He has a very nice sound, and I don’t find it too airy sounding like other people who has videos playing the Estrema. I was wondering is that airy sound was mandatory playing the instrument until I listened Chad McCullough.

It is a pity not much people who has an AR resonance trumpet can give us their opinions here.

[anrapa]

You are welcome!
I would say that none of the players I know have a "mandatory" airy sound on my horns, but it's true that many play jazz and actively work for such a sound no matter the horn they play.
I certainly don't have an airy sound on my horns (and I regret that, I would love to be able to do it!).
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AR Resonance Trumpets and Mouthpieces

Trumpets and mouthpieces: the ones I make

[kerouack]

Right.
First time I listened to an Estrema a guy was playing with that very airy sound and that remained in my mind. But checking later other people using that same horn, like Chad, he has a beautiful non airy sound.

Checking bell materials, it is very difficult to tell which exact material each brand uses, with bronze is even more difficult, some brands say they use bronze but nobody knows what kind, even some brands they say bronze but when they describe it seems it is red brass, not bronze.

What can you tell us about the bronze you use for bells ?

[anrapa]

Ciao!
I'm not going to tell which specific kind of bronze I use for my bells, trim kits, tuning slides and mouthpieces.
Nothing coming from Mars, it's material that anyone can source, but it is part of why my horn sound the way they do and I would like to keep being different from other makers.
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[kerouack]

Hello,
I understand.
The exact material, like the thickness or the shape is part of the the design. But is great to know that is real bronze, not like with some other brands when they use the term “Bronze”. Of course the material is not everything.

It is a pity that there is not much people here who can give their opinions on the Arresonance horns, but is also normal with a very new brand.

[Subtropical and Subpar]

[anrapa]

It's European Bronze, we are in talks with Elon Musk for some from Mars but it's a bit pricey at the moment...

(of course it's real bronze, I never heard of companies calling bronze what isn't bronze)
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[Shawnino]

Is there such a thing as 'real bronze'?

Brass is copper and zinc in varying proportions, end of.

Bronze is mostly copper, with much of the rest often being tin, but can have all sorts of stuff in it.
E.G.:
https://henssgenhardware.com/brass-vs-bronze/#:~:text=Brass%20is%20an%20alloy%20of,manganese%2C%20aluminum%2C%20or%20silicon.&text=Higher%20malleability%20than%20zinc%20or%20copper.

[Subtropical and Subpar]

[OldSchoolEuph]

[OldSchoolEuph]

[JayKosta]

From what I could find about the 'naming difference' between brass and bronze, a product called 'bronze' never has LESS tin than zinc. And copper is always the primary element.

And there are numerous grades and 'formula' for brass and bronze - so to know precisely what metal is used in a product would require the maker to identify the material in specific detail.

A google search for metallurgy brass bronze
will yield hours of information .... (and I only skimmed thru it)
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[Winghorn]

[.... When I don't know how a horn is constructed, I cannot, short of playing it (which is certainly prohibitively expensive when you consider how much is out there), understand how it will interact with a player's unique characteristics and the sound/feel they seek. Which means, not being able to include AR when asked for advice on what to try....[/quote]

Seriously? You need to know the bronze formulation used in an instrument before you will recommend it?

[kevin_soda]

[theslawdawg]

[LittleRusty]

[HERMOKIWI]

In all fairness Ron said "...advice on what to try." He didn't use the word "recommend."

I think all he's saying is that if he doesn't have what he considers to be sufficient information about something he's not comfortable suggesting a player try that something. His threshold for "sufficient information" may very well exceed someone else's threshold but he is entitled to his standards in that regard.

At least that's the way I interpreted what he said.
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[OldSchoolEuph]

[kerouack]

I agree that if we want to call something Bronze, it should have more Tin that Zinc, Bronze and Tin should be the base of it. If it is not like that would be very difficult or imposible to agree with different people about what is bronze and what is brass, cause all the components can be different and be in different percentages.
We have in TH, different threads already created to discuss bell materials, I read some of them and we can continue writing about that in them.

Arresonance told us the basic material he uses, I consider normal he does not want to share the exact formula in percentages, cause that’s his design and investigation, but there is enough information in the Wikipedia :

“Phosphor bronze is a member of the family of copper alloys. It is composed of copper that is alloyed with 0.5–11% of tin and 0.01–0.35% phosphorus, and may contain other elements to confer specific properties (e.g. lead at 0.5–3.0% to form free-machining phosphor bronze). Alloyed tin increases the corrosion resistance and strength of copper, while phosphorus increases its wear resistance and stiffness.“

I hope soon some Arresonance owners will participate here.

[Claude1949]