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Jaw04 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I played some really great shows on an ACB 3C. It's the best 3Cish piece for me I've tried. I also really really like the 1.25CS. MV3C = sweet. He's got a lot of variation in his designs and there's something for everybody and options for plating and blank. FWIW the TA2 and 3CS did not feel good to me. It's like choosing which candy you like on Halloween. |
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ECLtmpt2 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the difference is between the ACB MV-3C & the ACB MV-3CS?
My guess is a different backbone or throat but I can't find anything on their web site that clarifies that. It may also mean nothing as some manufactures don't use a letter or number if it is a standard size. Right now the MV-3CS is on 'flash sale' and I'm back on an old, old Bach Corp. 3C. |
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2020 Posts: 615 Location: Here and there
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:47 am Post subject: |
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ECLtmpt2 wrote: | Does anyone know what the difference is between the ACB MV-3C & the ACB MV-3CS?
My guess is a different backbone or throat but I can't find anything on their web site that clarifies that. It may also mean nothing as some manufactures don't use a letter or number if it is a standard size. Right now the MV-3CS is on 'flash sale' and I'm back on an old, old Bach Corp. 3C. |
The C and CS are different rims, so the width of the rim or the inner bite or something along those lines are going to differ. _________________ 1936 King Liberty No. 2
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1958 Olds Ambassador
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB
1965 Conn Connstellation 38A cornet
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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bagmangood Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Feb 2009 Posts: 1351 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:40 am Post subject: |
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The MV3CS is the MV3C rim with the "3CS" cup - so a bit shallower:
Quote: | MV3C rim with my CS cup -- it's slightly smaller and also has a much more efficient entrance into the throat. This helps the articulation and adds a lively "zip" to the sound. This mouthpiece is especially good on vintage trumpets or overly dark horns to make them "speak." Paired with the MO backbore for a balanced feel. |
(description from Standard Series Mouthpieces
From what I remember it was quite a popular mouthpiece _________________ More than one trumpet
A "few" mouthpieces |
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Kumara999 Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Posts: 137 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:46 am Post subject: |
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This should be what you are looking for - looks to be in the size of the cup in depth.
From ACB:
Mouthpiece-Backbore-OD-ID-Cup Shape-Cup Depth-Closest
MV 3C - MO 1.072 0.664 Medium Deep C Bowl 7 Bach Mt. Vernon 3C, Monette B4S
MV 3CS - MO 1.072 0.664 Modified C Bowl 5.75 Bach Mt. Vernon 3C, Monette B4S |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:11 am Post subject: |
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ECLtmpt2 wrote: | Does anyone know what the difference is between the ACB MV-3C & the ACB MV-3CS?
My guess is a different backbone or throat but I can't find anything on their web site that clarifies that. It may also mean nothing as some manufactures don't use a letter or number if it is a standard size. Right now the MV-3CS is on 'flash sale' and I'm back on an old, old Bach Corp. 3C. |
I have an ACB3CS ( not the MV ) and the S designates a modified cup to make it more efficient. He has a chart in pdf form of all his mouthpieces, showing the cup and rim sizes, what the S means, etc. Go to the MOUTHPIECE shop now page and scroll down until you see the info on the chart, then click on it for the pdf.
George _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jun 2017 Posts: 1541 Location: Virginia USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:16 am Post subject: |
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I also Have several ACB mouthpieces. Really liked the large Morse shank mp I got for trying out flugelhorns some years ago. Wound up with a small Morse horn and got that version of the same mouthpiece. It is good but not as much heft as the large one. I also have a 1.5C Acrylic and metal top with the symphonic backbore. I find it a little softer on lips than a Bach. I got the acrylic for playing in the cold. Liked the piece and got the metal top too. I find it to be the perfect match for my Yamaha YTR-6335 trumpet. It helps open up that horn a bit.
Great mouthpieces. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Picc: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Standard
Bass Trumpet: BAC Custom
Natural Tr: Custom Haas replica by Nikolai Mänttäri Morales |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone play a mpc. from his "Signature" series? I have a Heim copy (Miles') and it has a sound to die for. Not my go-to mpc., it's for specific uses, but a great mpc. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
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bebop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:34 am Post subject: ACB MV 3CS or Monette Classic B4S S2 |
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What is the difference between these 2 mouthpieces? ACB MV 3CS and Monette B4S S2 Classic blank. |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jun 2017 Posts: 1541 Location: Virginia USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:58 am Post subject: |
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I also find ACB mouthpieces great for certain applications. I use the modular ones, a 1.25C with the symphonic backbore for my Yamaha YTR-6335. It opens up the horn nicely and seems to match the touch gap needs of this horn. Makes the transition from my Schilke X3L (with a Bach 1.5C and slightly enlarged throat) easy. I also have a couple flugel pieces and a cornet piece that I use. Great people to work with because they understand your needs. They are great at finding solutions when you present them with a mouthpiece problem to solve. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Picc: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Standard
Bass Trumpet: BAC Custom
Natural Tr: Custom Haas replica by Nikolai Mänttäri Morales |
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Type3B Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2016 Posts: 106 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Although I don't play it anymore, I played an ACB TA2 for a while, and it was very good. In reply to the poster's original question: I suspect that Trent's mouthpieces fly under the radar partly because of lack of big-name endorsees, which makers such as Yamaha, GR, and Marcinkiwicz have. _________________ 2006 Buick Lucerne |
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Jaw04 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2015 Posts: 897 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: ACB MV 3CS or Monette Classic B4S S2 |
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bebop wrote: | What is the difference between these 2 mouthpieces? ACB MV 3CS and Monette B4S S2 Classic blank. | the major differences are the Monette is short shank, bigger throat, different backbore. The rim will be somewhat similar but the cup shape will also be different. Basically everything is different. |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Played an ACB TA2 and didn't like it. |
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BigE Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I have a 1.25CS A Short Cornet MP for my ACB Doubler’s LB Cornet and simply love it.
Ordered a matching 1.25CS MDF while ordering my ACB Doubler’s Flugelhorn.
So far I am impressed. |
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Trumpetingbynurture Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know if all of the CS cups are the same shape? For some reason, I just don't like the 1.25CS, even though I really like the 1.25C. It's not that it's shallower, there is just something about how it blows that I find odd, but that's just me.
Personally, I have preferred the standard ACB ones over the few MV ones I've tried. The MVs sounded nice, quite a 'creamy' sound, but I found the comparable standard model to be more efficient and flexible in the sound.
I LOVE the TA2 top. Such a great option for a 3C ish lead mouthpiece. Much more forgiving than most downstairs that others but super easy to play upstairs. Caveat - mine has a #22ish throat in it though, which is a personal preference, and I use an MO backbore with it.
I personally didn't like how it played with the MT backbore which I belive is what the 1-piece version uses. I think if you didn't like how the TA2 played, you'll probably change your mind if you put the S or MO backbore on it, you can move a bit more air, and it will put out that fat sound to match.
ACB make great mouthpieces and are very competetively priced as well, compared to most other makers. Warburtons are $125 now for tops, so ACB are about $45 bucks cheaper for a top at full price, but they also really frquently have discounts going. I think several times I've bought tops they've ended up being like $65ish which is a real bargain for what you're getting. |
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BigE Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Trumpetingbynurture wrote: | Does anyone know if all of the CS cups are the same shape? For some reason, I just don't like the 1.25CS, even though I really like the 1.25C. It's not that it's shallower, there is just something about how it blows that I find odd, but that's just me. |
The list all the other CS cups as a modified C that is shallower than regular.. they have both a MV3CS and regular 3CS that are listed with Differing cup depths.
Thinking for this you should call them have a chat… |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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The CS also has a slightly tighter backbore, which makes a difference in blow _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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