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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:54 am Post subject: Cornet/Flugelhorn mouthpiece difference |
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Other than shank diameter, what are the differences between a stereotype cornet and a flugelhorn mouthpiece? I know they're both supposed to be deep and have V-shaped cups, but how do they differ exactly? Are cornet mouthpieces traditionally shallower? |
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Flugelnut Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 478 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Because the cornet is literally a "little horn", it needs a funnel (or V) shaped mouthpiece cup like a French horn's.
The flugelhorn hails from the bugle family, and requires a more bell-shaped
cup.
That is the basic difference, and of course makers add their own miriad variations of rim shapes, throat sizes, and backbore profiles to achieve what they consider to be perfection in sound, intonation, etc.
Experiment and have fun! |
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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:51 am Post subject: |
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I see. So essentially the 'basic' cornet mouthpiece is closer to an actual V than a flugelhorn mouthpiece. Interesting. |
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 1015 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:01 am Post subject: |
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The mouthpieces I use (GR) are more like what you first described. My cornet mouthpiece cup is deeper than a trumpet mouthpiece but not a full V cup, and my flugelhorn mouthpiece is the one more like a funnel or French horn cup.
You mentioned shank. On a flugelhorn, there are several standards and it's important to get the right one for the best intonation. Cornets, I think, are pretty standard but I've run into some older ones that seemed to take a bigger diameter. That might be from wear in the receiver, though; others here know cornet tech far better than I. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D. |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 688 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I think it depends on what you expect to get from your cornet, and what cornet you are using. If you want a classic, very dark British Brass Band sound, deep funnel shaped cup, likely with a large orifice. You want to play in a group that includes trumpets, I like a 1 1/2C. A bit darker, I like the 1 or 1B. I even use a shallow Schillke 15B4 for an old fashioned Dixie sound on the Super Recording cornet (with Olds Shank). Define your goals, I think. _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:20 am Post subject: |
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huntman10 wrote: | Define your goals, I think. |
Indeed. It's something I find hard for cornet, being a trumpet player for most of my life. Had a hard time grasping the cornet's sound and purpose, but with the recent threads and comments about it, I'm starting to understand why it people like cornets so much, and how they're definitely not just a stubby trumpet or a poor man's flugelhorn. |
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 1015 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: |
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I've played trumpet for 60 years, and flugelhorn for 50, but I'm coming to the cornet only recently. It is fun to discover which horn works best in which situation. The cornet gives a sweeter sound that can adapt well, but there are some cases you will discover where it's really the better choice by far. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D. |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1830 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:54 am Post subject: |
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The Kansul Mouthpiece Comparator is still available, why not take a look. The Wick cornet mouthpieces are at the very end of the list - WK 2,3,4, and 5. Various fluglehorn mouthpieces are marked FL.
http://kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
I've made some OK cornet mouthpieces out of Bach 3CFL mouthpieces - shortening and grinding down the shanks and tinkering with the backbore. They seem close to the egg shaped cups found in old Conn cornet mouthpieces. |
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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Excellent suggestion, thanks! |
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