Cornet/Flugelhorn mouthpiece difference

[deleted_user_687c31b]

Other than shank diameter, what are the differences between a stereotype cornet and a flugelhorn mouthpiece? I know they're both supposed to be deep and have V-shaped cups, but how do they differ exactly? Are cornet mouthpieces traditionally shallower?

[Flugelnut]

Because the cornet is literally a "little horn", it needs a funnel (or V) shaped mouthpiece cup like a French horn's.
The flugelhorn hails from the bugle family, and requires a more bell-shaped
cup.
That is the basic difference, and of course makers add their own miriad variations of rim shapes, throat sizes, and backbore profiles to achieve what they consider to be perfection in sound, intonation, etc.
Experiment and have fun!

[deleted_user_687c31b]

I see. So essentially the 'basic' cornet mouthpiece is closer to an actual V than a flugelhorn mouthpiece. Interesting.

[Riojazz]

The mouthpieces I use (GR) are more like what you first described. My cornet mouthpiece cup is deeper than a trumpet mouthpiece but not a full V cup, and my flugelhorn mouthpiece is the one more like a funnel or French horn cup.

You mentioned shank. On a flugelhorn, there are several standards and it's important to get the right one for the best intonation. Cornets, I think, are pretty standard but I've run into some older ones that seemed to take a bigger diameter. That might be from wear in the receiver, though; others here know cornet tech far better than I.
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Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D.

[huntman10]

Personally, I think it depends on what you expect to get from your cornet, and what cornet you are using. If you want a classic, very dark British Brass Band sound, deep funnel shaped cup, likely with a large orifice. You want to play in a group that includes trumpets, I like a 1 1/2C. A bit darker, I like the 1 or 1B. I even use a shallow Schillke 15B4 for an old fashioned Dixie sound on the Super Recording cornet (with Olds Shank). Define your goals, I think.
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[Riojazz]

I've played trumpet for 60 years, and flugelhorn for 50, but I'm coming to the cornet only recently. It is fun to discover which horn works best in which situation. The cornet gives a sweeter sound that can adapt well, but there are some cases you will discover where it's really the better choice by far.
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Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D.

[Andy Cooper]

The Kansul Mouthpiece Comparator is still available, why not take a look. The Wick cornet mouthpieces are at the very end of the list - WK 2,3,4, and 5. Various fluglehorn mouthpieces are marked FL.

http://kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html

I've made some OK cornet mouthpieces out of Bach 3CFL mouthpieces - shortening and grinding down the shanks and tinkering with the backbore. They seem close to the egg shaped cups found in old Conn cornet mouthpieces.

[deleted_user_687c31b]

Excellent suggestion, thanks!