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[LaTrompeta]

I reached out to this man (he speaks Spanish) about these trumpets for sale. The only one which interests me is the silver-plated horn in the middle. He told me that it's a "Coon" [sic] -- obviously it's a Conn, but I am keen to know which model. It looks fairly nice and if he only wants $150 could be a steal.

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[Crazy Finn]

It's pretty impossible to tell much from that distance.

The case looks like the one that I got with my 1950 or 51 Connstellation.
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[Goby]

None of those horns have the "point-to-point" (i.e. perpendicular to the leadpipe and bell) braces of the Connstellation or Vintage One. I would pass on those horns unless you get a solid identification and better pics, but then again, $150 for a student horn isn't so bad. If they are Conn instruments, they aren't pro models.

[RETrumpet]

Was thinking it might be a Connstelation based on how far back the valve block is... but I agree that from that distance, it's hard to know.
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C: Bach 229-MK slide/pipe, Bach 226 with YTR-9445(2) pipe
D/Eb: Bach 239 with YTR-9636 pipe
Picc: Stomvi Master, Couesnon Monopole
Cornet: Schilke A2C, '23 Buescher
Flugel: Scodwell Prototype

[Crazy Finn]

[RETrumpet]

The newer 52B Connstellation has "Z" type braces which is what I was thinking, But I forgot that those are reversed leadpipes, so not this horn.
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Bb: FrankenBach, '72 Committee, Conn 22B, King 2070SGX
C: Bach 229-MK slide/pipe, Bach 226 with YTR-9445(2) pipe
D/Eb: Bach 239 with YTR-9636 pipe
Picc: Stomvi Master, Couesnon Monopole
Cornet: Schilke A2C, '23 Buescher
Flugel: Scodwell Prototype

[Goby]

[Crazy Finn]

Honestly, from this distance, we're just throwing random darts. We can tell what it's not from the forward bell brace, but that's about it.

If it's anything decent- as in not a Chinese cheapie, which I doubt it is - even a solid silver student horn, $150 is a good price. If it were me, local, non pandemic, and I didn't already have two dozen horns, I'd just go for it and see what it is.
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Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn

[Bflatman]

I say this to everyone

Guessers are losers.

I would pass unless the seller is willing to show you what he is selling.

There is usually a reason sellers hide what they offer
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[deleted_user_687c31b]

Can't you ask him for a close up photo? They should be able to do so fairly easily...if not, then pass on it, even if it's legit there may be all sorts of issues with the instruments.

[Liberty Lips]

[Goby]

I think what he meant was that people who buy trumpets sight-unseen from less than descriptive sellers usually lose money on the transaction. I would generally agree with that sentiment.

[Bflatman]

I like your post Liberty Lips there is good sense in it.

What I meant was this.

We can decide based upon known information and this can often lead to success.

We can speculate based upon experience and knowledge and this can also lead to success.

Or we can just guess based on nothing other than feelings and hope.

I feel that might be a conn and I hope it might be useable.

Otherwise it might be more con than conn

Guesswork leads to wrong decision making and that leads often to failure.

Guesswork is a 50 50 crapshoot.

Speculation based on experience gives an edge that makes success more likely.

Guessing is gambling we might as well flip a coin as guess.

Speculation however I will take that if I have to and I have many times.

Using a rule that guessers are losers encourages us to not decide important issues based on a coin flip or drawing a high card and may save us from making a bad decision.

I would rather walk away from a purchase if I have no idea what I am buying or if it works or if it is even complete.

That instrument could be a broken worthless trumpet shaped object with stuck slides flattened tubing and rigid stuck valves that is not worth even 1 dollar.

If there is a detailed photograph available and it shows a quality instrument that looks complete maybe it is worth buying.

It has an equal chance of being a loss or a win as it stands.

I have a history of buying great instruments for little money, that is because I am careful.

I bought a great conn 80a for 80 dollars and that was only after seeing great pictures of it and I speculated and it was a win.

That and other purchases were speculative and I nailed every one of them.

I would never offer money for an instrument I could not see like this one.

This is the voice of experience speaking.

As for this instrument there will be another along if the op walks away from this one so there will be no loss in doing that.

Every instrument I have bought was second hand I have bought instruments priced from 15 dollars up to 220 dollars with most being between 25 and 60 dollars and I have never bought a bad instrument.

I have never guessed about buying instruments and I recommend the op does not guess, not for 150 dollars if it was 5 dollars maybe but I wouldnt even then.
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Selmer Student Trumpet
Bohland and Fuchs peashooter Trumpet
Boosey and Hawkes Regent Cornet
Lark M4045 Cornet

[Andy Cooper]

I get to guess too.
Real nice case. Has kind of a Bachish look - might be a Conn Heritage model 80B Bach clone. Looks like the Conn valve casing rather than the King with the shorter wider spaced 1st valve slide. Double braced like a Bach - not single braced like the Vintage, 52B, or SS models.

I know the Heritage C was a good trumpet - if is a Heritage it's worth a try. Should be price fairly low since it's not well know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhDwU5zE-K8
Here's Trent playing one.