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dlouiek1 New Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:03 am Post subject: Confidence |
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I find that playing piccolo trumpet is easier to center a note compared
to my Bb Bach. I use the same mouthpiece for both.
There is more back pressure on my piccolo. Notes are easier to locate. I am using a Dennis Wick 3C mouthpiece. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3276 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:34 am Post subject: |
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That might be due to the harmonics on a pic being spread further apart from each other than on a standard Bb (especially from G above the staff and higher).
Having a larger pitch/frequency spread between harmonics helps to establish the desired pitch by NOT having a resonant harmonic easily being sounded which is near a desired note that is played slightly off-pitch. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Some brand/model Bb trumpets have looser slots than others that could lead you to feel that note centering is easier. I've also found that adjusting the mouthpiece gap can alter your perception of note centering. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Bflatman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:25 am Post subject: |
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As Jay said the Bb and the picc are quite different in the upper register.
With the Bb the lower register slots easily but when you move into the upper register you move out of the register in which notes slot easily and precisely according to valve combinations.
In effect you dont need to use the valves in the upper register with a Bb although you can.
The picc however in the upper register is in its native register where valve selection determines the pitch played.
Slotting is therefore predictable in a picc in the upper register where it is less predictable with Bb in the upper register.
Having said that I would not expect the Bb to slot like a picc slots in any register.
Instruments slot differently
One of the reasons the picc is chosen to play upper register is its precision in that register compared to Bb.
Thats my 2c anyway _________________ Conn 80a Cornet
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AJCarter Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Bflatman wrote: |
In effect you dont need to use as many valves in the upper register with a Bb although you can.
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Fixed that for you.. the first statement you had made is not empirically true.
Also, the piccolo is pitched one octave higher than the Bb trumpet. This is why it slots well and offers security. The Bb trumpet's upper register is the picc's low to mid register. _________________ (List horns here) |
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Bflatman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Most kind of you AJ
I always welcome corrections from more knowledgeable members.
I find it most disconcerting to waggle my fingers and it have no effect on the tones emerging.
My first response is to suspect that the laws of physics have stopped operating in the bell of my instrument but then I come to realise its just the upper register playing me again like a cat plays with a mouse.
Thank you sir for that correction. _________________ Conn 80a Cornet
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Olds Fullerton Special Trumpet
Selmer Invicta Trumpet
Yamaha YCR 2330II Cornet
Selmer Student Trumpet
Bohland and Fuchs peashooter Trumpet
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Lark M4045 Cornet |
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AJCarter Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Bflatman wrote: | Most kind of you AJ
I always welcome corrections from more knowledgeable members.
I find it most disconcerting to waggle my fingers and it have no effect on the tones emerging.
My first response is to suspect that the laws of physics have stopped operating in the bell of my instrument but then I come to realise its just the upper register playing me again like a cat plays with a mouse.
Thank you sir for that correction. |
Wasn't trying to be flippant, but most of the upper register and even some of the extreme upper register requires at least the use of ONE valve in order for it to be fully chromatic unless you're getting way up there past double C.
Playing piccolo actually helps to feel where the tones should be and it ends up transferring back to the big horn. But the picc itself does not instantly increase your range by an octave. It is a very busy, metaphorical two way street. _________________ (List horns here) |
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