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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:01 am Post subject: DW american classic 5C |
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anyone have experiences with this trumpet mouthpiece? |
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gregplo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:45 am Post subject: |
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I have both the Dennis Wick Classic and the Ultra 5C. Neither really work for me...my chops seem to collapse into the DW pretty quickly. They feel larger on my chops than a Bach 5C, and the rim is very rounded compared to the 5C that I have as well. Doing a quick measurement with a caliper between the two, it does appear that the Wick has a slightly larger inside diameter. Eyeballing the cup profile, there also seems to be less undercut in the DW (the cup starts to transition into the bowl shape earlier).
That said, I know some players who really like the DW mouthpieces. As always, mouthpieces are a very personal thing.
What kind of information are you specifically looking for? _________________ Best Regards,
Greg
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I would like to know how it sounds ... dark, bright, open. More orchestral or jazz? Tank you |
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p-miglio New Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: |
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I have the DW Classic 3C. It is similar to my Schilke M2 Symphony Mouthpiece with the exception of the rim. The DW rim is very rounded and the Schilke rim has some bite to it. They both have large C style cups. The DW Classic 3C has a similar throat and backbore to the Schilke M2 which produces a softer sound compared to my Schilke 16B4. I like using either one for ballads. I hope this helps. |
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gregplo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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annvill wrote: | I would like to know how it sounds ... dark, bright, open. More orchestral or jazz? Tank you |
The Dennis Wick 5C Classic plays a bit darker than my Austin Custom Brass 3CS with a Warburton 8 80 (heavy) backbore and my Bach 5C, a good bit darker than my ACB 3DS Modern Blank (same I.D as the 3CS but slightly shallower), and much darker than my Marcinkiewicz 7 (same I.D. as the 5, but shallower). It is similar to my Marcinkiewicz CH 5 (Concert Hall 5), with perhaps a bit more "air" to the sound. The blow is very similar to the other mouthpieces in my Conn Vintage 1 trumpet. I'd say it would work better as an orchestral or combo jazz piece if it was a piece that worked for me. I just don't get along with rounded rims...I need something flatter. _________________ Best Regards,
Greg
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DOEL Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's like a more efficient Bach 5B with a 25? or 24? throat and large backbore. It's a perfect C trumpet mouthpiece since it's built like the popular 5B 24/24. The rim is great, like a thinner 5C. It might be a tad wider diameter. _________________ 81 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Vincent Bach Corp. 5C
03 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork 4C25C
06 Bb/A Schilke P5-4 Piccolo silver - Stork SP6
23 Eb/D Thomann ETR-3300S silver - Stork 4D+25C |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:43 am Post subject: |
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I usually play on a Bach3C. The sound is ok, but the grip, the bite are not exceptional. I tend to smudge on the sides. The DW3C / 5C have a better grip. The Yamaha 14B4 also has a better grip. Their sound however is not as good as the Bach 3C. DW american classic 3C too dark, DW 5C and Yamaha 14B4 too bright. Tried Schilke and I don't like them, they are the worst I've ever tried. Do you have any advice? |
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Irving Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:52 am Post subject: |
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If you like Yamahas then you could try a 13C4. Slightly smaller that a 14B4, but with a deeper cup. The 14D4 is very dark, but if that is what you want then you could try that one as well. |
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gregplo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:21 am Post subject: |
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annvill wrote: | I usually play on a Bach3C. The sound is ok, but the grip, the bite are not exceptional. I tend to smudge on the sides. The DW3C / 5C have a better grip. The Yamaha 14B4 also has a better grip. Their sound however is not as good as the Bach 3C. DW american classic 3C too dark, DW 5C and Yamaha 14B4 too bright. Tried Schilke and I don't like them, they are the worst I've ever tried. Do you have any advice? |
When you say the DW 5C and Yamaha 14B4 are too bright, is that to your ears behind the horn, or is that something you're being told by a band director or conductor? _________________ Best Regards,
Greg
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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There needs to be a balance between sound quality, and having good playing function.
In pretty much all playing situations the primary requirement is being able to play the right note (cleanly) at the correct time and loudness. So range and endurance need to be considered.
A mouthpiece that produces a wonderful sound is not a good choice unless it functions to provide those primary requirements.
As a player's skill and strength improves, mouthpiece choice can also change. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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I recorded the sound |
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gregplo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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annvill wrote: | I recorded the sound |
Depending on the quality of the recording equipment, that can be misleading. If you're confident in the quality of the recording, great....BUT, I'd get the opinion of at least a couple of other players you trust if at all possible doing a comparison of the mouthpieces. I've done that with horns and mouthpieces, and I've been surprised at the feedback I've received from them at times... _________________ Best Regards,
Greg
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I also got feedback from musicians. Yamaha produces mouthpieces with an indefinite sound. Never liked you. DW much better. I love my Bach 3C, I just want a different circle. Same depth, same sound. Bach 3C circle does not adhere well to my lI also got feedback from musicians. Yamaha produces mouthpieces with an indefinite sound. Never liked you. DW much better. I love my Bach 3C, I just want a different circle. Same depth, same sound. Bach 3C circle does not adhere well to my lips |
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:18 am Post subject: |
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annvill wrote: | Yamaha produces mouthpieces with an indefinite sound. Never liked you. |
You have to put them in a trumpet, then they sound much better. |
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:08 am Post subject: |
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annvill wrote: | I usually play on a Bach3C. The sound is ok, but the grip, the bite are not exceptional. I tend to smudge on the sides. The DW3C / 5C have a better grip. The Yamaha 14B4 also has a better grip. Their sound however is not as good as the Bach 3C. DW american classic 3C too dark, DW 5C and Yamaha 14B4 too bright. Tried Schilke and I don't like them, they are the worst I've ever tried. Do you have any advice? |
Seems to me that one of your problems is related to the rim (that which you describe as the grip)?? You donĀ“t like Schilkes?! Pretty broad statement. Schilkes come with different types of rims.
Here is a link that you might find useful: https://www.dansr.com/wick/resources/the-american-classic-under-review
DW American classic 3C and 5C have identicial rims, same backbore and should sound as quite identical. Yamaha 14B4 is quite shallow - hence a brighter sound. Should sound a lot brighter than the DW 5C.
So - you seem to fancy a not that bright sound and a nice grip/rim. The DW:s have rounded rims.
Consequently - rounded rim, sound towards the dark part of the spectrum.
However there are more variables: your horn besides your way of playing.
Presently you seem dissatisfied with what comes out at the far end of your horn. Your horn- a lightweight horn with little resistance? A 'heavy' horn with a lot of resistance or what? The combination of all variables is extremely important. Put a deep mpc into a bright horn - alas then you might get a darker sound.
Does the name Naporoscopo tell you anything? Another guy having problems with mouthpieces. Read his posts! _________________ Cornets:
Getzen Custom Series Schilke 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974) |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:18 am Post subject: |
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I thank Delano and his suggestion. I'm going to get away from the site. Thank you to everyone who answered me kindly. |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:48 am Post subject: |
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annvill wrote: | I thank Delano and his suggestion. I'm going to get away from the site. Thank you to everyone who answered me kindly. |
Sorry to see you leave so soon, but I can understand why. _________________ GeorgeB
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2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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"Tried Schilke and I don't like them, they are the worst I've ever tried."
"Yamaha produces mouthpieces with an indefinite sound."
Who's next? |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:15 am Post subject: |
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delano wrote: | "Tried Schilke and I don't like them, they are the worst I've ever tried."
"Yamaha produces mouthpieces with an indefinite sound."
Who's next? |
If you are correct in what you told me in your PM, then maybe you should just let this thread die. _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:45 am Post subject: |
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I resume the discussion after some time. I've been trying for weeks the DW american 5C, but the rim just isn't for me. I also tried the Warburton 4M / 7 and 4MD / 7. The 4M is too shallow for me. The 4MD is much better, but darker than the Bach 3C and more difficult on the high notes. Anyone have experience with 4MD? |
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