C Trumpet VS C Cornet for playing in church

[Brassnose]

Crazyfinn, this would mean I’d need a brilliant sounding C, I guess As I said before, even on my Bach I seem to sound less brilliant than all of my colleagues; our director in the orchestra regularly comments on that and the recordings with my old bands also show a striking difference between me and the other trumpet player(s), soundwise.

The sound I have been after for that trumpet/organ would of course not be flugel-like but bright and brilliant. Great! Lucky me: a Schilke C6 just popped up for a reasonable price. If it’s anything like the B6, one of my favorite Bb horns, I could be tempted.
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2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[JoeLoeffler]

IMHO, the C trumpet is a much better match for organ than Bb. The added brilliance helps cut through the power of an organ much more easily and rings (resonates) better in a large church. It is the shimmer and crackle that you want!

[Brassnose]

That’s the spirit I’ll see what I can do; there is other options besides the C6 mentioned earlier. If I am going C I’d rather invest in a solid horn than jump around the whole time. After all, this will be a first for me and I’ll need the time to practice.

There is no rush, the current idea is to meet up again after Pentecost; the organist is a pro and will be quite busy until then.
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2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[Adam West]

Rotary C

[Brassnose]

Yes, of course! I have stated many times on this forum how my rotary Bb is the best instrument I ever played and I’d LOVE to have a (matching or other high end) rotary C.

There are a few of these out there as well - I am just debating with myself whether or not I should go for anything between 2500 to 3000+ EUR (vs. 1100 to 1600 for a piston C) right now. That’s what good used rotary C trumpets go for these days, at least if looking at quality brands over here.

Bear in mind, this is the first time I’ll be doing the trumpet/organ thing and who knows how it turns out. I could always sell again if the adventure fails, I guess.
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2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[Brassnose]

Ok, here we go again. I am seriously leaning towards a good C trumpet, and, while I really am tempted by the rotary idea, the more realistic option (moneywise) is a piston horn. Here is what is currently within reach on my local used market - which one would you pick for organ/trumpet and why?

Selmer Radial C75
Selmer Radial C99
Selmer C700
B&S 3136/2
Schilke C6
Bach 229
Bach 239
Galileo Jooleo C
EDIT: just realized I forgot a Selmer Era II 900 TT

I am not against Yamaha or other brands but there aren’t any within the price window I have set for myself at the moment.
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2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[OldSchoolEuph]

[cheiden]

My church playing has had sheet music almost exclusively written for the Bb. Sure there are the occasional tunes played from the hymnal but it's not that hard to read up a step. I personally can't read down a step to save my life. If you expect your playing to be mostly from a hymnal then that would be a very different case.
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Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart

[HaveTrumpetWillTravel]

[LittleRusty]

The church I currently play with has transposed parts on file for all instruments. They are typically available for most hymnals and probably are cheaper than purchasing a C trumpet.

I use a Bb trumpet almost exclusively. If I need a C I have a Bach with a 256 bell that works nicely. But unfortunately the church I attend has abandoned organ altogether.

But before the pandemic we had a 25 piece “studio” orchestra that, for me, nicely compensated for the organ. Hopefully we will get it started up again soon.

[Brassnose]

The two churches I have started playing with exclusively use music in C as this is the tradition over here. While I can read (and play ) music in C and Bb, some of these gigs are super short notice and I do not currently feel comfortable getting a call „can you sub the next day“ with the music being given to me 30 min before the gig and then all is in C.

Being the director of a ca. 250 ppl research department, I have a super busy professional career and don’t have enough time to practice every skill I’d like to have. This is unfortunate but I still have to make a living. As a result, Bb music is not usually an option, hence the quest for a C instrument.

In fact, last Sunday we had a nice group with me on flugel + flute + clarinet + violin + choir. I really liked the way the flugel mixed with the choir, so if anyone has a C flugel lying around, I could be interested as well. Will be hard with the organ but was GREAT with the choir.
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2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[cheiden]