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Orpheum Elite Trumpet from 30's ?



 
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Trumpetier
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:13 pm    Post subject: Orpheum Elite Trumpet from 30's ? Reply with quote

N+1 virus strikes again.

One more interesting horn in my collection.

Orpheum Elite Made in USA, clearly old (vintage ?) trumpet



I was not able to find much information: it was probably made by Buescher and Harry Pedler around 1930-37?

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/show.php?selby=+where+instrument%3D%22Trumpet%22+and+maker%3D%22Orpheum++%22



It has cool steampunk styled buttons and bottom caps:




Bottom sprung valves:



Strange "plumbing" configuration



Non ajustable slides:



It does sounds and feels different to my Yamaha or Getzen, no surprise here. It is ... darker. I think it is also much more sensitive to MPC selection. I tried 7C and 5C and it changed tone quite a bit.

After about an hour I got used to it and manage to produce sound I like, overall trumpet player surprisingly well and seems to be in very good shape (if age estimate is true.)

It seems that I can hit and slot higher notes easier on Orpheum vs Yamaha with the same MPC (while playing The Godfather love theme) and it may even have better intonation despite luck of movable slides.

Anybody can identify this vintage?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone here mentioned hat Orpheum was made by Conn; not by Peddler. ????
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you call 'strange plumbing configuration' is the weird Conn wrap, just like the 80A (and the 4A, 6A, 38A, 40A, 48A, 8A, 81A, 82A, 84A, 90A) cornet and the New Era 10B, 56B, 58B and 60B trumpets.
The braces, valves, valve casings, finger buttons also look very much Conn.
And of course will the slides move, they are just frozen, they are stuck.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orpheum Elite was one of several names starting with "orpheum" used by ART Musical Instruments. (Partnership between Gus Buescher and Harry Pedler, both of whom were formerly at Conn - became Harry Pedler after Buescher died around 1937). It dates somewhere between 1932 (serial #1) and WWII. The serial number should focus that tighter, but the sequence is a bit whacked - see Jon Patton's notes here: http://www.brasshistory.net/Pedler%20Brass%20List.pdf
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