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jmock Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:34 pm Post subject: Trumpet players murdered by wives or girlfriends? |
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First I mean no disrespect to any families or close friends of those players who are no longer with us.
A few years ago I was flipping through one of those large jazz history volumes at either Barnes and Noble or Borders Books, and it became quite apparent that a significant number of jazz trumpet players in particular met a premature demise as a result of their wife or girlfriend stabbing or outright shooting them.
Other than the obvious famous ones, is there a list somewhere? I already searched online and previous forum topics, and either I didn't search correctly or it just isn't here.
Thank you.
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Lee Morgan comes to mind. Shot by his girlfriend, Helen Morgan, at Slug’s in NYC IN 1972. But trumpet playing would appear to be far less risky than rap singing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murdered_musicians _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
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jmock Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I guess that is true, lol. _________________ Kanstul 1500
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Just wondering how many guys on this forum are at risk for unauthorized horn/mouthpiece purchases... _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1979 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
Eastlake Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 672 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | New postPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:57 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Just wondering how many guys on this forum are at risk for unauthorized horn/mouthpiece purchases...
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Bryan Fields
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I have been happily married 49 years, and have somewhere north of 60 horns, 200 mouthpieces, and about 100 mutes. My secret is to remember an old west bit of advice:
"No man was ever shot by his wife while doing the dishes!" _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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My wife got onto my addiction when she found part of my brass stash behind the furnace. We negotiated a settlement. I could keep the metal if I watched HGTV with her without buzzing a mouthpiece.
Murder has never crossed her mind as far as I know. But a cop friend of mine says it’s a good idea to remain alert nonetheless. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | My wife got onto my addiction when she found part of my brass stash behind the furnace. We negotiated a settlement. I could keep the metal if I watched HGTV with her without buzzing a mouthpiece.
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Could be worse...she could make you watch the Hallmark channel... _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1979 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
Eastlake Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Fortunately, I have a note from my doctor that verifies the Hallmark Channel poses a risk for diabetics. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Washing dishes is much preferred to Hallmark. We have our own tv's!! She records the movies on the Hallmark Channels, all 3 of them, all day long. Over and over again!! _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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so what Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I used to say that I play trumpet, "mostly to annoy my wife."
Maybe I'd better rethink this. |
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JonathanM Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Great thread! Albeit quite possibly a tad morbid at its most serious.
On a brighter note... At risk... Remember the TH member some time back that mentioned he had bought a lovely trumpet for his wife's Christmas gift? Someone responded, 'I didn't know your wife played the trumpet?' To this he replied, 'Oh, my; that's right... I guess the trumpet will have to go to me!'
Hmmm... As per this thread, he may be at risk. Come to think of it, I'm not sure he's posted recently. _________________ Jonathan Milam
Trumpets: 18043B, 18037 SterlingSilver+, 18043*, Benge 4x, Olds: '34 Symphony, '47 Super, '52 Recording
Flugle: Strad 182
Puje: American Belle
Cornet: Olds Recording & Super |
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:53 pm Post subject: trumpet players killed by their wife or girlfriend |
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Years ago I was having my saturday morning coffee and bagel with my wife and over the radio came a story about a wife who had "accidently" shot her husband in the kitchen the evening before playing with the gun while he talked on the phone. I quipped and asked, "is that how you will get me, dear?" Nope, guns leave too much evidence, and the people in church would never forgive me if you couldn't play on sundays. After breathing a sigh of relief she added that "I will probably just keep packing the same disgusting sack lunch for you to take to work." She figured that eventually she would read the headline, "Husband bolognaed to death for no apparent reason." I guess they can get you coming and going. _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
there is one that lives to lay waste to woodwinds and strings, leaving them lie blue and lifeless along a swath of destruction that is a
trumpeter's fury-then there is the dark side!" Irving Bush |
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khedger Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | My wife got onto my addiction when she found part of my brass stash behind the furnace. We negotiated a settlement. I could keep the metal if I watched HGTV with her without buzzing a mouthpiece.
Murder has never crossed her mind as far as I know. But a cop friend of mine says it’s a good idea to remain alert nonetheless. |
That reminds me of an old friend of mine. We were both vinyl addicts and he used to go directly from the record store to my house so he could store his purchases there until he smuggled them a few at a time into his house.
I also remember one time I was at the same friend's house and we were listening to records. I picked up an LP to play and when I removed the sleeve a phone bill came out with it. His respone? "Quick man, put that back in the record sleeve....HURRY!" Seems he had to finesse his long distance bills (this was in the old days before cell phones) with the wife.
Ahhh....good times......
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jmock Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I asked the original question because the list is for sure a bit longer than Lee Morgan...
I know a few trumpet players who are of the opinion that you have to possess a certain amount of arrogance to play the instrument well--at least to play LEAD well--and that combined with a few cheating episodes on the road is all it really takes for some women to wanna wack the guy.
In my personal case, through my work there is considerable accidental death and dismemberment insurance on me, and I've told her that when she decides to have me wacked she has to at least make it look like an accident to collect. Bada bing.
My parents recently passed and left me a small trust for my retirement...I did spend a couple grand on ho model trains (must stop that), and bought a brand new Kanstul 1500 Bb, and just ordered one of the GR Classic mouthpieces from Wayne Bergeron. So now I own exactly two trumpets and four mouthpieces (including the one in the mail from Wayne). I told her I hope it is the last trumpet I will ever buy (my son is using the Holton T101 I bought new about 30 years ago which would be number 3, and he has 3 mouthpieces.) My only real vice is the preference for gold plated mouthpieces...
My wife plays french horn.
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:39 am Post subject: |
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As long as we’re exploring things both musical and macabre, I wonder if a trumpet has ever been the weapon of choice in a homicide? I can find no record of such, although a guy told me he once worked on a Schilke with blood on the bell.
A far more likely weapon would be a guitar, probably a Les Paul Custom because they’re so heavy.
A less likely choice would be a piano because they’re too heavy or a violin because they’re too light unless you used several which, of course, would be a blatant example of senseless violins. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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jmock Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Jim--
Way to sneak that in lol.
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Shifty Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:03 am Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | As long as we’re exploring things both musical and macabre, I wonder if a trumpet has ever been the weapon of choice in a homicide? I can find no record of such, although a guy told me he once worked on a Schilke with blood on the bell. |
There was a post here or on the old TM forum a few years ago I think; can't remember all the specifics. Somewhere in Central America (IIRC) a musician was released from prison after serving a term for a sex offense. He got a job as a school music teacher and was found to have been molesting his young students. The townspeople beat him to death with his own trumpet.
First comment was "it must have been a Connstellation." _________________ Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
Conn Connstellation 28A, Victor 80A, Connqueror (1903)
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Buffalo42 Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:04 am Post subject: |
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How about death by duelling accordions what a terrifying thought that is. _________________ Mike |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:11 am Post subject: |
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The truth is I don't think my wife will kill me but playing the trumpet might if I practice high notes too much. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1979 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
Eastlake Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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jmock Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Hey--that could be a separate topic--those who have expired due to a cardiac event or stroke as a result of playing trumpet?
I think generally speaking the physical activity of playing trumpet helps keep people alive and active longer?
There is some scientific evidence that playing music into one's old age is associated with maintaining cognitive function. Anecdotally, my father, my father-in-law, and his brother all did mentally very well into their middle 80's by continuing to stay involved in playing music.
In my own case, when very stressed recently due to my mother's decline and my sister bugging me about it all the time combined with lockdown...my blood pressure was up and I was certainly stressed out. It appears that simply playing trumpet, with the associated breathing involved, may help to moderate my blood pressure.
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