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improver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 11:51 am Post subject: Cant blow air thru the horn?! |
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Hi all, my Bach 197 was playing great and then I oiled the valves today and it wouldn't blow. I think it's the 3rd valve. Is it possible the guide got reversed. 3rd valve on Bach how do you know which way to out the little end of the guide? I believe this horn came with plastic guides originally but has metal in there. I like them but I'm screwed up. Help? |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2319 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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It's possible / probable that one or more of the valves is rotated 180 degrees or in the wrong location
On the valve spring housing is a number (for valves - 1, 2, 3,) which when inserted is toward the mouthpiece end of the trumpet. The valve guides have a top and bottom, plus a small and large end. The top has a seat for the springs and the small end on the leadpipe side of the Bach trumpet.. If you look down the empty valve casing you will see the two receiving cut outs for the guide - larger one on the bell side, smaller on the leadpipe side.
It's easy to fix, and easy to mess up.. be careful when playing with these pieces and pay attention to how they are properly assembled. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
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improver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you. Man that was clear! I looked at my other Bach and figured out the 2 holes in the 3rd valve face you and the little end valve guide does too. I just bought this horn and the guide was in backwards. Thx |
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JonathanM Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 2018 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Always a shock when a horn doesn't behave properly.
I was on a trip last week, pulled my trumpet out to practice in my Hotel room (with practice mute of course), and the horn was awful. I tried everything...
And then realized I'd lost a cork from my main spitvalve and, wow, everything was off. _________________ Jonathan Milam
Trumpets: 18043B, 18043*, 18043 Sterling Silver +, 18037 SterlingSilver+, Benge 4x, Olds: '34 Symphony, '47 Super, '52 Recording
Flugle: Strad 182
Puje: American Belle
Cornet: Olds Recording & Super |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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JonathanM wrote: | Always a shock when a horn doesn't behave properly.
I was on a trip last week, pulled my trumpet out to practice in my Hotel room (with practice mute of course), and the horn was awful. I tried everything...
And then realized I'd lost a cork from my main spitvalve and, wow, everything was off. |
That recently happened to one of my beginner students. If you want an interesting exercise in frustration, try getting a beginner to inspect a spit valve cork.....during a VIRTUAL lesson. “Ok, hold the horn in your right hand....no, not that right hand, your other right hand....”😉 Finally had to get Dad in the kid’s room to help out!
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 1960
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 7:55 am Post subject: Trumpet screw up with Harry James |
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After I left the Harry James Orchestra, he had a guy playing lead trumpet and Harry gave him the responsibility of maintaining his trumpet. Harry wasn't too fond of this guy anyway and one night the guy handed Harry his trumpet right before the downbeat and as Harry never warmed up, he started the first tune and his valves were in backwards. The guy was in the trumpet section and Harry's trumpet was sailing past him hitting the wall behind the bandstand. Harry loved baseball and could throw a trumpet fast ball.
Tony Scodwell
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 705
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:06 pm Post subject: can't blow air through the horn |
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TS, too bad you didn't have Bob Uecker there to proclaim, "Just a little bit inside." _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
there is one that lives to lay waste to woodwinds and strings, leaving them lie blue and lifeless along a swath of destruction that is a
trumpeter's fury-then there is the dark side!" Irving Bush |
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