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Proteus
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 Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:46 am Post subject: Non-Bach flugel equivalent |
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Hi all...
I have a Getzen Eterna flugel, so it won't take a Bach flugel shank. Am currently playing a good old Bach 7C on trumpet. What's the closest to a Bach 7C diameter/rim setup in a non-Bach flugel mouthpiece that's readily available/affordable?
Thx!
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delano
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Something like a Yamaha 11F4, cheap and good.
And a better rim BTW.
Only slightly bigger: the Yamaha Bobby Shew.
These are mouthpieces with the Standard taper (=Large Morse taper) which fits the Getzen flügels. |
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zaferis
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I too think the Yamaha idea is good.. or others like Curry would be a better selection - Curry's can be found with various shanks, get the proper one (large morse taper = Yamaha taper).
FYI, I think you can get Bach Flugel mouthpieces with a large morse taper. Though I haven't found a Bach Flugel piece that I love, I think there are better ones abailable. 6FL if any
A warning about Curry pieces: if you're like me, you'll get a Curry Flugelhorn mouthpiece and like it so much that you will switch to Curry mouthpieces on all of your other trumpets/cornets.!
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TrumpetMD
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Non-Bach flugel equivalent |
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| Proteus wrote: | Hi all...
I have a Getzen Eterna flugel, so it won't take a Bach flugel shank. Am currently playing a good old Bach 7C on trumpet. What's the closest to a Bach 7C diameter/rim setup in a non-Bach flugel mouthpiece that's readily available/affordable?
Thx! |
I play on a Bach 6C trumpet mouthpiece. The 6C is pretty much the same diameter as a 7C, but with a more padded rim. I use a Yamaha 13F4 on the fluglehorn, which for me is about the same diameter as the Bach 6 and 7 rims.
However, if you like the Bach 7CFL flugelhorn mouthpiece, you can use one on your Getzen. For the Eterna flugelhorn, Getzen sells a Bach-sized leadpipe. I have one for my Eterna, and paid about $20-$30 for it.
Mike
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delano
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| zaferis wrote: |
A warning about Curry pieces: if you're like me, you'll get a Curry Flugelhorn mouthpiece and like it so much that you will switch to Curry mouthpieces on all of your other trumpets/cornets.! |
Another warning about Curry pieces: they are not for everybody. I still own a VC, DC, BBC for cornet and a 8.5B for trumpet, all brand new, not used at all. Sold a Curry 3C and a 3BC for trumpet. Could not play any of them. Often too bright and for me not well balanced. So try before you buy! In my experience the Curry's are a little bigger than the Bachies of the same number. I ordered the Curry pieces always a size smaller than the same number of Bach. So in my 7c period (I own lots of them) I ordered the Curry as an 8.5.
Mark Curry is a great guy so this is surely not personal. There are some big fans here of the Curry pieces so it will differ for different people. I have no experience with Curry flügel mp's.
The Yamaha 13F4 could also be a good idea. I did not mention it because I have no personal experience with it so I cannot tell you how big it is or feels, you'll have to try it. BTW I play a Yamaha 14F4. |
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TrumpetMD
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| delano wrote: | | In my experience the Curry's are a little bigger than the Bachies of the same number. |
Good point. I don't know if the Curry pieces are actually bigger. But to me (at least in the Curry 3 family), they "feel" bigger than their corresponding Bach mouthpieces.
We're all different, of course. But for me, the Yamaha mouthpieces feel similar to Bach mouthpieces. This is why I use them in situations like this (when I'm looking for a Bach equivalent flugelhorn mouthpiece with a large taper). Also, they're relatively inexpensive and readily available (which the OP mentioned).
Mike
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Don Herman rev2
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IIRC there are three different flugelhorn shanks around these days (five overall) based on a conversation with Flip Oakes some time ago. If you work with a mouthpiece maker or good dealer (Mark Curry, Flip Oakes, many others) they will know (or look up) what shank you need and can provide you the correct mouthpiece.
HTH - Don
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Proteus
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Thanks, everyone. Will try a Yamaha 13F4 and see how that goes.
| Quote: | | didn't bore the receiver properly |
Brian: The horn is at least from the '80s...and mouthpieces always seemed to fit well enough. What exactly is the issue?
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JeffM729
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My Getzen Eterna flugelhorn from back in the 70s has a trumpet like ledge in the leadpipe as if there was a receiver and not smooth like a usual leadpipe. That might be the issue. When I bought it at Giardinelli’s, they cut down a Bach flugelhorn mouthpiece to fit.
You can purchase a new leadpipe from Getzen that will accommodate a Bach or Yamaha taper for a reasonable price. Otherwise you need a short shank flugelhorn piece. Curry mouthpieces work very well. |
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Proteus
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Whoa...are you saying that a flugel leadpipe doesn't (shouldn't) have a 'ledge' that the shank butts up against, as with a trumpet receiver? That it should be smooth ie. ledge-free??
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JeffM729
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| Proteus wrote: | | Whoa...are you saying that a flugel leadpipe doesn't (shouldn't) have a 'ledge' that the shank butts up against, as with a trumpet receiver? That it should be smooth ie. ledge-free?? |
The case with the early Eterna flugelhorns was that it would only fit short shank mouthpieces. The current Getzen replacement doesn’t have the ledge. Mine was bought in 1972 and is serial number KH215. Perhaps it is because the bore is .460 and they thought it worked on their trumpets.
Here is an old thread on it.
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1480221 |
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TrumpetMD
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I have a 1974 Getzen Eterna 896 flugelhorn, that I purchased new back in the 1970s. It has a large/Yahama receiver, that fits my Yamaha mouthpieces without difficulty. As already stated, Getzen offers a replacement leadpipe that has a small/Bach receiver, that I purchased about 10 years ago, and which I've used with Bach flugelhorn mouthpieces without difficulty.
Mike
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Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
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picctpt33
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| I’d suggest checking out the Curry flugelhorn mouthpiece line |
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