Custom Built Flügels?

[Brassnose]

@ the OP: i know about the elephant horns, but have never seen one, much less played one. The seem to be very rare even here and hence I always forget about them.

But I just thought about some more shops

https://www.musik-boepple.de/Instrumente/

https://www.musik-kroeger.com/trumpets

https://www.musikbeck.de/beck_kuhlohorn/

https://www.hsm-brass.de/trompete.html
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AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[Voltrane]

The number of German makers is unbelievable!
Happy Germans!
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[delano]

There is quite a difference between a perinet and a rotary flügelhorn. In fact only the name is the same.
So why bother, buy a Yamaha, nothing wrong with them, or if you want to spend the money, buy a Hub van Laar, that's the absolute top. and a great choice of possibilities:

https://www.vanlaartrumpets.nl/en/flugelhorn

and in case you want a rotary:

https://www.mgtrumpets.com/

The Twugelhorn.

That is a really small, high class business and nobody beats his price. I own a rotary trumpet from MG and it's super.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILftjmL_Za8&ab_channel=MarkGeelen78

[dstpt]

Starting a...

[delano]

Better start a new topic.

[dstpt]

...new topic...maybe.

[Brassnose]

Hey Voltrane, Paris is not so far from Germany I’ll be dans les Vosges, probably in November, and time permitting I’d like to check out the Wiss trumpets.
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2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[nieuwguyski]

[dershem]

I love my Marcinkiewicz. Plays like a dream, beautiful sound, and it has a tuning slide!
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[delano]

Some general remarks about flügelhorns:

1 rotary flügels are basically made as a melody leading instrument in Bayrisch/Böhmische Blasorkester. They usually are played with a trumpetlike mouthpiece (with a German shank and not deep). Their sound is something in between a cornet and a piston flügel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyl90F5cJ5w&ab_channel=SchagerlClubSchagerlClub

(Jimmy Owens plays an Alexander four-valve rotary flügel and is able to get quite a good jazz sound out of it, a great achievement!).

2 piston flügels. Roughly you see three types:
- small bore: 0.409 to maybe 0.415 or so. These are the real deal and the favorit of specialised flügel players, Couesnon, Courtois, Van Laar, Adams and so on.

medium bore: 0.433 (like the Yamaha 631G) these are very popular as a doublers instrument for trumpet players who occasionally play flügel. Also in this bore Jupiter 846, the Inderbinen, Eclipse and many more. (The latest version of the ACB doublers flügel is now a 0.413 small bore).

large bore: something like 0.460. These are often flügels built on a trumpet machine for economical reasons. The Eterna is a good example. Also used as a doublers horn. Personally I don't have experiemce with these.

Disclaimer: I've got the feeling that the taste of the sound of the flügel differs in the USA from that in Europe. Here in the old world is the Couesnon sound and construction prevalent, in the USA they seems to be fond of a more trombony sound. Often realised by very deep mouthpieces, (certainly not my choice).

Why are the Van Laar and Adams flügels so good? You must realise that Van Laar is in Margraten, Limburg, Holland, and Adams originated from Thorn, Limburg, Holland, only 45 kilometer from each other. This is flügel country (together with a piece of Belgium over the border). Here the heart of the fanfare orchestras was traditionally formed by the flügel sections.
I also like the Yamaha 8310 flügel.

[oljackboy]

Delano,
I humbly disagree that Americans favor a 'tromboney' sound. The most popular
flugelhorns here are certainly the Yamahas, and yes, the trend is to use very deep mouthpieces. I think the reason for the popularity of deep cups is to achieve the breathy, mellow sound that has become the grail of jazz players in the USA. Large-bore flugelhorns are few and far between here, and it is generally believed that the large bore contributes to a 'tromboney' sound which is to be avoided.
Since very few of us use flugelhorns for anything other than jazz, the trend is definitely toward the smaller (.413) bores combined with deep cups.
I play Andy Taylor's .413 Copper Standard flugelhorn. I chose it because it made it easier to get that diffuse sound that I seek. Since I very rarely play above high C on flugel, the deep cup I use isn't really a handicap to me.

[delano]

OK, fair enough. My only source about this subject are the threads and posts here on TH. And they are all about as dark, buttery, fluffy as possible and comments that everybody with in my opinion a real flugelsound is called 'too trumpetty' here.

Read this thread for the idea and especially post nr. 11 by Tony Scodwell, I think the same way:

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155399&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[NordicNorm]

Taylor flugels are worth checking out...
https://taylortrumpets.com/instrument/phat-boy/
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