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MarieF
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 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:27 am Post subject: Yankee Cornet |
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Does anyone have information on the history or quality of the MJ Kalashen Yankee New York Cornet? I'm seeing one for sale and what little I've found online is that it may be from around 1919 based on the serial number.
For a different cornet on sale listed as Yankee New York Cornet the person states it's a stencil cornet believed to be a Conn/Pan American 1919 Mode. |
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OldSchoolEuph
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Jon Patton does
https://www.brasshistory.net/Kalashen%20History.pdf
Its a stencil, as Kalashen apparently was not a maker, but whose would best be judged through some photos(?)
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OldSchoolEuph
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It strongly resembles a Conn Pan-American stencil, however the serial number format is unexpected. Its a close appearance to Conn - pretty sure those are Conn bottom valve caps - but a lot of details don't align. I'm afraid I cannot reach a conclusion as to maker. (That particular S-curve design by the way is the most copied cornet/trumpet design ever unless you look to the 1880 F.Besson trumpet as a singular concept)
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OldSchoolEuph
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On the horn-u-copia example:
- The stop rod is on the other side of the tuning slide
- The stop rod uses Buescher style posts rather than Pan-American
- The spit key is much lighter built
- The slide ferrules are large bulbous ones instead of lightly incised sleeves
- There is only one brace on each side of the valves instead of two and with different escutcheons
- There are almost no braces – and the one appears to be a repair
- The lyre mount is on top of third instead of on the side of
- The pull rings are not flattened (that curve is factory, not damage)
- The receiver ring is different
- Top and bottom valve caps are very different
- Finger buttons are different
- Casing turning is different (“ballusters”)
- 3->2 and 2->1 ports are aligned not offset vertically.
- 3rd valve slide and bell exit ports are rotated more rearward
- Elbow into third is a different bend.
Its not the same maker.
Kalashen appears to have stencilled everyone he could. Remarkably, on that horn-u-copia page is a Z.A. Meredith OpenTone cornet, which was way too weird to clone so it has to be a Meredith (and is precisely identical in every visible detail except the main spit key – that could be replaced). Those are exceptionally rare – and its remarkable to see one stenciled. I think Kalashen sold whatever he could get that month – so sourcing the OP horn is going to be pretty difficult.
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1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
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1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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delano
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| ??? Impressive but I did not mean to say that it was exactly the same maker. For some reason long time ago in Czech there were made some Conn New Invention Circus Bore clones. One has been on ebay.de for months but was very expensive, something like 1900 euro. It sure was a very elaborated beautiful one, even more beautiful than the original Conn horn. It seems that they were made by different small shops so they can look all slightly different in the details. Probably also different valve blocks. The Yankee here seems to be a cheaper species with indeed minimal bracing. But still I think it is Czech but a cheap Conn stencil is sure possible. |
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MarieF
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Thanks for your help.
I was looking for an older, inexpensive trumpet or cornet that might be fun to play and sound different than my current instrument. When I contacted the seller to ask about the valves, he said the previous owner used motor oil on them and that he has tried to clean it without chemicals, but they're still getting stuck. So I'm gonna pass on this one, but I do like learning the history behind all the instruments I'm seeing for sale. Thanks everyone for your insights! |
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