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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:46 am Post subject: Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz |
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Hi, this mouthpiece suffers a little on the low notes. I was wondering if with the study it is possible to develop a greater sound on the low notes. |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz is not an overly shallow mouthpiece (neither is Shew Lead). Yet, low range can be played with either of the two. Relaxing the embouchure a little can help with the projection. |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Yes it is very similar to the Bach 3c, but it sounds softer, easier on the high notes, but suffers on the low notes. At least that's what I feel. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I'm not thrilled by the sound I get in the lower register with either a stock Bach 3C or the Yamaha Shew Jazz. That's why I went with a hybrid solution. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:09 am Post subject: |
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What mouthpiece do you play on which you can produce solid and vibrant low notes? That would certainly give us clues to what you need. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I've always played on Bach 3c. Occasionally on DW american classic 5c. Both seem to me to have deeper low notes. |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Try to roll in the embouchure to decrease lip incursion into shallower mouthpiece. |
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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The Shew Jazz, which I used to play for years, is essentially a Bach 3C with a rounder rim and perhaps a slightly tighter back bore. That might be what you're feeling. Relaxation is likely the key.... to everything!
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StephenVannevel Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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The Bobby Shew Jazz is identical to a Bach 3C. It is possible the bite is too soft for you. _________________ Stephen Vannevel
YTR-9335CHSII
YTR-9445CHSII
Kanstul CCT 923 E♭/D Trumpet (MC1 Leadpipe)
YTR-9825
Yamaha and Frost Mouthpieces |
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:31 am Post subject: |
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It may be too shallow FOR YOU, which depends on your lip size / shape / embouchure.
Try a Curry 3C.
I struggle to get a good full sound on my low notes with the Shew or even a modern Bach 3C. Not so with the Curry 3C. Slightly deeper, different shaped cup.
I hope this helps. _________________ Justin Dickson
Middle school band director. Still learning.
www.BandmateTuner.com |
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StephenVannevel Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:42 am Post subject: |
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jadickson wrote: | It may be too shallow FOR YOU, which depends on your lip size / shape / embouchure.
Try a Curry 3C.
I struggle to get a good full sound on my low notes with the Shew or even a modern Bach 3C. Not so with the Curry 3C. Slightly deeper, different shaped cup.
I hope this helps. |
The Curry 3C also has a very soft bite, I would recommend the curry 5 rim. _________________ Stephen Vannevel
YTR-9335CHSII
YTR-9445CHSII
Kanstul CCT 923 E♭/D Trumpet (MC1 Leadpipe)
YTR-9825
Yamaha and Frost Mouthpieces |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:17 am Post subject: |
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You might want to check the mouthpiece "gap". If you are not familiar with that term, just Google trumpet mouthpiece gap. Lots of stuff. |
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annvill Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, the story of the GAP is too complicated for me. |
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Brent Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:45 am Post subject: Shew |
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People seem to really like that mouthpiece, or not like it at all. I'm personally of the latter. _________________ Brent |
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BraeGrimes Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't go messing around with gap adjustment etc before you truly know whether you like the mouthpiece. If it doesn't feel right in a particular register or dynamic level, I would suggest either trying other mouthpieces (which, of course, comes at a cost) or trying to find ways to make it feel better through practice. Personally, I didn't land on a mouthpiece until about 5/6 years ago after around 10 years of constantly changing. It's a journey, not a race! |
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picctpt33 Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Brae - don’t mess with the gap just yet |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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The reason I suggested checking your gap first is that too much gap can leave you with a weaker low register. If the gap is OK, then move on to other things. |
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Bill Ortiz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Andy-adusting the gap has a big influence on how the lower and upper register respond, as well as over all resonance in tone. Sometimes perceptions on how a mouthpiece or horn play are actually due to improper gap. I understand that it's opening a new can of worms but in my experience it's a worthy consideration. If you are going to experiment with the gap, get a copy of the mouthpiece that you're currently playing and get that one fitted for sleeves-that way you can always go back to your original setup. Good luck :) _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
14B Schilke mouthpiece
Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
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StephenVannevel Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Also if you do end up going the sleeve route, do yourself a favor and get the Frost threaded ones, they don't have an o-ring to deaden the sound. _________________ Stephen Vannevel
YTR-9335CHSII
YTR-9445CHSII
Kanstul CCT 923 E♭/D Trumpet (MC1 Leadpipe)
YTR-9825
Yamaha and Frost Mouthpieces |
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