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improver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:45 am Post subject: The affect of getting pads right on playing?! |
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I just changed out the inner pads on a Bach 37 replacing the new rubber ones with old smashed down white cloth ones and it improved the sound and blow considerably. Is this because the valve became more in alignment with the change? |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Could be. It could also be that the valves became less aligned and that the new alignment suits your playing better. Valve alignments are not a guarantee that you'll like the horn better.
One thing that should be mentioned, however, is that any minor change that improves the sound and blow considerably indicates that there is some MAJOR problem with how the horn was before. The key word here is "considerably." I wouldn't expect such a minor change to make such a major difference unless the horn was a disaster before the change. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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improver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:23 am Post subject: |
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What it tells me is whoever put the rubber pads in put in the wrong size. I forget but wasnt it Clark Terry who took his horn in to get his springs and pads changed and it changed the playability of the horn. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8911 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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My only experience with rubber pads was when Reeves aligned my horns. Just installing rubber pads without regard for the alignment sounds problematic. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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A considerable change suggests more is going on than just the pads - something else we are not seeing.
The pads themselves effect alignment. Apparently some horns are sensitive to this despite the turbulence of the valves - though Holton used to build trumpets in 8 bores but only 3 or 4 valve port sizes (covering 3 bores in some cases with one port size), so . . . . .
Crushed felt and rubber have different densities and elasticities. This probably influences the connection between the body of the horn and the mass of the piston when up. That would be like the difference in weighted caps.
These are relatively subtle things in both cases though, not "considerable". _________________ Ron Berndt
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2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
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