Hetman's valve oil

chapahi · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:11 pm Post subject: Hetman's valve oil

I wanted to get some Hetman's valve oil the other day and heard that they don't make it anymore. In fact someone said it's been two years already. What's a good valve oil like Hetman's? Thanks in advance for any replies.
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HERMOKIWI · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 2581

WWBW has #2 and#3 valve oil listed for sale right now.
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LittleRusty · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:37 pm Post subject:

The website for Herman’s is still active and doesn’t list any discontinued products. But the purchase link doesn’t work.

http://www.hetman.com/aboutus.html

TrumpetMD · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hetman's valve oil

supercow216 · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:38 am Post subject:

If you live in Germany, you can get J. Meinlschmidt synthetic oil (number 2) on Thomann.

I did not use Hetman, but this is much better than any organic oil I used in consistency and impact duration (a few days).
It is less expensive than yamaha oil, and more accessible than Hetman in Europe
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wiemelen · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:35 pm Post subject:

I used to buy Hetman from Adams in Belgium.
They have no more stock left when I went for new oil 2 weeks ago.
They also recommend J. Meinlschmidt synthetic oil as a replacement for Hetman cause they also come in various thickness.
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Maarten van Weverwijk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3377

As far as I understand:

Meinlschmidt bought the Hetman brand and production will be (has been?) moved to Germany.
I don´t know if that is a good thing or not, but distribution and retail have been extremely complicated since then and not all Hetman products are readily available anymore. I guess they are in some sort of transition period, but this has been going on for quite a while now…
All recent Hetman bottles come with a J.Meinlschmidt sticker, at least here in Europe.

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LittleRusty · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:56 pm Post subject:

Missed your posts Maarten.

This thread from a year ago talks a little about the situation. Nothing official though in that thread.

delano · Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:16 am Post subject:

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Divitt Trumpets · Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:56 am Post subject:

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Divitt Trumpets · Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:51 am Post subject:

According to the people in the industry who talked about it, they copied the oils and the number system and then dropped carrying Hetman in favour of their line.
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LittleRusty · Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:33 am Post subject:

J. Landress Brass · Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:16 pm Post subject:

Hetman is still very much in business and making their wonderful products. There have been some serious delays in distribution over the past few years. From what I hear now, there is a supply chain issue with them getting their bottles which is causing some major delays. I order hetman from several different vendors and they sell out of what they get pretty quickly, which then makes stock levels at the store level pretty low. Hetman is still one of my best sellers and one of my favorite oils.

As for the Meinlschmidt oil... Meinlschmidt was the European distributor for Hetman for many years. With changes in EU regulation on oils and bottles along with slow delivery of Hetman, they needed to do something to fill the void, so they developed their own oils which are very similar. I am not a chemist nor do I know the formulas, they the Meinlschmidt oil is good. I ordered a bunch from them and have been starting to use it in the shop.

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Maarten van Weverwijk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3377

I stand corrected.
My story was based on what I’ve heard in our local shop.
What still stands is that supply remains extremely complicated for many Hetman products, at least here in Europe.

MvW.

Brams · New Member Joined: 28 Feb 2021 Posts: 7

Bump to an old post just to confirm that JM oil is of totally
different manufacture than Hetman.
The numbering system isn't right, and the formula is not from Hetman.

I used classic for the old horns, and have a hard time to find a replacement.
the dealers sell JM3 as replacement for Hetman 3 like it is the same oil,
but it is clearly not the same and i won't ever put it in a horn again.
the JM oil is losing adhesion in a moist environment and will go down the
water key very soon.
making the valves run lean and the carpet run rich.

1B · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:45 am Post subject:

Hi Brams,
I just found Hetman 3 available at Hickeys.com.
Good luck.
Jaimie Hall

raynjtrumpet · Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:36 am Post subject:

I went to Ultra Pure when I couldn't find Heman's. No complaints after a year of use - seems virtually equivalent to me.
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