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alexbancas New Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2021 Posts: 7 Location: Mexico city
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:07 pm Post subject: help me decide which trumpet to buy |
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Hi, i have 250 dollars and i found these five trumpets
the first one is a Holton T602: it cost 170, looks to be in good condition, serial number 537 ***,
the second one is a Buescher Aristocrat: it cost 210, is a bit used but nothing serious, serial number 374 ***
the third one is a bundy: it cost 200, good condition, serial number 300 ***
fourth one is a conn 22B: it cost 278 a bit out of my range but if it's worth i could save, good condition, serial number 674 ***
and the last one a bach tr1530: it cost 268 same here, this is the one that looks the best, i don't see the serial number on this one
this would be in theory my second "trumpet" i had a conn shooting star cornet, i would like to get something for jazz since that is what im interested in, im sorry if i missed something please ask if you need anything else, thanks a lot for the help. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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From past posts I'm going to guess that the Holton will be favored. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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The Conn 22B and the Buescher Aristocrat are tricky, because earlier ones are "pro" instruments, while later ones are lower line "student" horns.
The serial number you provide for the Conn indicates that it was produced in 1957, which means that it should be a pro quality horn (you can check out the "Conn Loyalist" website -- https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ -- for more information).
The serial number you provide for the Buescher suggests that it was produced before 1963, which is prior to the point where Selmer purchased Buescher and recast Buescher as a lower-line "student" horn. (Again, you can get more information on the "Buescher Loyalist" site -- http://www.buescherloyalist.com/index.html.)
Because of all this, I would recommend going for the Conn if you can afford it (it is a very well-respected pro horn even today). Second choice would be the Buescher. The others are student or mid-line horns.
(My advice assumes that all the horns are in reasonably good condition -- no major structural or mechanical problems like "red rot", leaky valves, etc.) |
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alexbancas New Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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i hope this works, here are the conn 22b and the Buescher Aristocrat
https://imgur.com/a/qtW47HG |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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That's a newer Conn 22B, not a vintage one. It's a student horn from the 1980-2000's. It's fine, but nothing special.
I can't tell much about the Buescher, but it's got the prototypical Buescher flared valve casings, so it's probably an older one from before it became a Selmer student brand.
As far as the other horns you mentioned:
I have no idea what a Bach TR1530 is, as I'm not familiar with that model number. I couldn't say if it's like a US built TR300 or one of the Asia specials. So, I'd rank that lower.
The Bundy is an older student horn. They tend to play a bit tight but are decently made.
The Holton T602 is also an older student horn. I'd probably put it higher than the Bundy.
The Conn 22B fits in somewhere with the Bundy and Holton. Maybe lower than the Holton. Dunno.
This is like asking if you want to drive a 80's Chevy Citation, Plymouth Horizon, or Ford Escort. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Once I framed your link as a URL rather than an image, I was able to link to your pictures.
Despite the serial number you provided, that does not look like a pro-quality 22B. I'm not sure about the Buescher either.
Send a private message to VetPsychWars on this forum; he's a big Buescher expert and would be able to tell you more about the Buescher you are considering. I'm not sure about the Conn -- you could try sending a private message to connloyalist on this forum; she would be able to tell you if the 22B you are considering is a 'good one'.
Why do you think that your cornet would be inappropriate for jazz? |
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alexbancas New Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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oh sorry, i don't know how to upload images
i sold the cornet becasue i didin't like the sound in general, way to bright, that and having some sealing issues, but it did serve me to learn all the basics |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Halflip wrote: | I'm not sure about the Conn -- you could try sending a private message to connloyalist on this forum; she would be able to tell you if the 22B you are considering is a 'good one'. |
I'm sure. I had several of these in my urban elementary school's inventory. They're basically standard UMI student horns. I can't remember if the King 601's of that era are different or not or if they're the same horn with different brands stamped on them.
I don't know about the Buescher. Tom might. Like I said, it's got the flared valves of the older Bueschers, but if that's much of an indicator. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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The most important consideration is the condition of the instrument. I don't mean the cosmetic condition -- how it looks -- but the mechanical condition. Are the valves smooth and fast? Do the slides move properly? Is there red rot in the leadpipe or tuning slide?
I don't know about the Bundy, but any of the other horns should be ok. Choose whichever is in the best condition. Good luck! |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:25 am Post subject: |
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From that list I'd get the Holton. It's a student horn but the one we got for my son played really well - I could have used it on a gig. _________________ Patrick Gleason
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alexbancas New Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2021 Posts: 7 Location: Mexico city
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:56 am Post subject: |
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it's all from the same seller so im going to ask if he is willing to show me all of the trumpets im interested and try them, the one i like the most will probably be the one i choose i just wanted to see if you had any opinions in which should i stay away from.
thanks a lot for all the replies. |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:30 am Post subject: |
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If you are able to actually get your hands on the horns and try them, then I am in agreement with Dayton -- try to check on the mechanical condition of the horns. (For example, there are some simple ways to get an idea how leaky the valves are.) Some problems may manifest themselves in the way the horns play, but some may not.
Good luck! |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Crazy Finn wrote: |
I don't know about the Buescher. Tom might. Like I said, it's got the flared valves of the older Bueschers, but if that's much of an indicator. |
It's one of the better Aristocrats before Selmer messed them up.
If you buy it (and you should, it's better than the Conn), do not change those valve springs. They are constant-pressure stainless steel, specially made for these horns, and they last forever.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
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