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Brad361
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:05 am    Post subject: Pitch finder? Reply with quote

Probably should know this, but I don’t. I just noticed a horn for sale with a “pitch finder” / trigger on the tuning slide. It just occurred to me, how exactly does it work? Meaning, do you have to told pressure on the trigger constantly to keep the slide in the approximate right place until you move it for pitch adjustments? Obviously a first slide trigger holds the first slide closed until you extend it, but how does that work when a trigger is on the tuning slide?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how the one you saw for sale works without seeing a picture, but the one depicted on Charlie Melk's website "Services" page under "Custom Work" (http://charliesbrassworks.com/services.php) shows knurled nuts on each threaded end of the 'throw rod' between the trigger assembly and the slide brace. I am guessing that one could adjust the effective length of the throw rod so that the slide is set at a predetermined tuning position, and the trigger squeezed to move it outward from there.

I suppose you could also use a finger ring trigger without any spring action in the mechanism.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon Talks Trumpet has a recent video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN5DjqOZ-LA&ab_channel=JonTalksTrumpet
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a LeBlanc C trumpet that had an adjustable 1st slide trigger. It had a stop screw that would hold the slide out to whatever length you chose.

Most of the tuning slide triggers I've seen in this area on legit player's horns are totally adjustable, in and out. Amazing what's become almost a requirement in that world.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is my understanding, that there is a difference between pitchfinder and Trigger A Trigger just lowers pitch-on whatever slide.
A pitchfinder can raise or lower pitch,and works only on the main tuning slide-something like this here:

https://thein-blechblasinstrumente.de/images/01-trompeten/014-b-trompete/019-deutsche-b-trompete/0503thein08-kl.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitchfinders are triggers that move the main slide.

Sometimes spring loaded, sometimes they only move out, not in. If it just moves out, it’s for bringing down sharp notes.

For the system to work, the main slide has to move really easy. Horns generally play better when the main slide is really tight.

I put one on a horn to get the upper G down, and it was ok, but the whole horn was better before the alignment and easing of the slide
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok….makes sense now; adjustment screws or nuts would hold it in a pre-designated spot. Guess I should have figured that out. 🤦🏻

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only true "pitch finder" is your ear!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoyed the John Talks Trumpet video. No plans to get one, but good to know.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm not mistaken Charlie Geyer used to encourage his students to use them. The Puje trumpets have a thumb saddle connected to the last "crook" at the bell to do something similar. Interesting concepts. Never tried one.

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