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yoelarry Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:53 am Post subject: Best/most used practice book for high notes |
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What’s the best book for an intermediate player to build his high note range
When even an A above the staff is a struggle?! Haven’t played much in too long. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3274 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think what is most often needed is better learning of 'how' to play higher notes - not so much the practice material.
There are some basic techniques and skills that need to be learned. Many people get into trouble by depending too much on mouthpiece pressure and 'tight stretched lips'.
I think these two videos have good info - especially in the time sections that I indicate. With video material, it is good to watch carefully to see what is actually being DONE, and determine how well it corresponds to what is being said.
Wayne Bergeron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwbN-gEe0sc
info at about 16:50 air compression
23:00 using lower lip/jaw pressure
Charlie Porter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLE_-ly8hrQ
33:00 - 41:00
Embouchure, lip adjustment _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
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trumpet2012fhl Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Best/most used practice book for high notes |
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yoelarry wrote: | What’s the best book for an intermediate player to build his high note range
When even an A above the staff is a struggle?! Haven’t played much in too long. |
I started learning using the following:
Louis Maggio System - Focuses on tongue level and just builds up to the notes using a lot of arpeggios. The book also discusses a slight change to the embouchure that I disregarded and just used the exercises.
Lip Flexibility by Bai Lin - Builds range and flexibility with lip slurs
Arbans - Scale exercises. Most don't go above A or Bb.
However, my new personal favorite is Build Your Range by Augie Haas. It tackles the upper register in many different ways and styles and it has a backing track that helps you to play more musical as well as forces you to rest in between reps. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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If you struggle to play above the staff, it seems to me that your main focus should not be on high note exercises as much as getting a very good foundation
Extend your range gradually by expanding the likes of Schlossberg, Lowell Little's Embouchure Builder, or Earl Irons' 27 Groups of Exercises.
Later, you can introduce exercises from Maggio or Double High C in 37 Weeks. (Don't laugh. It actually has good exercises, just ignore the text. Same with Maggio).
You need solid fundamentals for the high range exercises to be effective. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
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trumpet2012fhl Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | If you struggle to play above the staff, it seems to me that your main focus should not be on high note exercises as much as getting a very good foundation
Extend your range gradually by expanding the likes of Schlossberg, Lowell Little's Embouchure Builder, or Earl Irons' 27 Groups of Exercises.
Later, you can introduce exercises from Maggio or Double High C in 37 Weeks. (Don't laugh. It actually has good exercises, just ignore the text. Same with Maggio).
You need solid fundamentals for the high range exercises to be effective. |
I 100% agree with this as you need to build up to it. Don't work past where anything feels comfortable. Also, I agree with Maynard that you don't claim a note until you can play it beautifully, and that takes work on the fundamentals. |
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ECLtmpt2 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:32 am Post subject: |
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All of the above.
To your question: I'm not sure how to quantify the 'best' and don't know the 'most' used but I have found "Pops: Trumpet Range Pyramid" very helpful. |
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timothyquinlan Veteran Member
Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 267 Location: Victoria, BC
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:24 am Post subject: |
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This question comes up a lot and I wanted to share a cool series that might highlight tons of books on the subject.
At qPress we made 4 half-prices courses of material on high range, and called them "The Method and the Madness". The idea is that in each set you get 5 high range METHODS and you get 5 high range study books/practice material (the MADNESS). It is a really fun way to try out lots of new takes on playing in the upper register, while saving a ton of money buy getting them in bulk.
Feel free to check them out below:
Method & The Madness 1: “THE ART OF PLAYING LEAD”
Method & The Madness 2: "BACK ROW DREAMS"
Method & The Madness 3: “UPPER REGISTER POWER”
Method & The Madness 4: “JAZZ ABOVE THE STAFF” _________________ Check out qPress for the largest selection of trumpet books on the internet. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:33 am Post subject: |
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For someone who can barely play out of the staff? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn |
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Best (for me) has been Colin Lip Flexibilities Most used- Arbans? Taking exercises 8va and such... |
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Trumpjerele Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | For someone who can barely play out of the staff |
What range do I need to master to need specialized high note material? Stamp, Collins, Magio, Clarke!!, Bai Lin, I think they got a G over a high C in their more advanced exercises. I haven't gotten to those lessons yet. _________________ Notice!!! Amateur musician without formal studies
Trumpet: Yamaha 8310Z
Mouthpiece: the great Yamaha11b4
Sax tenor: Yamaha YTS 23
Mouthpiece: Otto link tone edge |
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dbacon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:40 pm Post subject: Practice Book For The High Register |
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gwood66 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I built my range starting from scratch as a comeback player using the following books (some of which have been previously mentioned):
27 Groups of Exercises - Irons
Technical Studies - Clark
Systematic Approach to Daily Practice - Gordon
Trumpet Lessons Book 3: Power, Range and Endurance - Hickman
That being said I would recommend this book from the QPress bundle mentioned above by Tim.
Veldkamp, Unlocking the High Register
Books aside, you can practice to the cows come home and you may not make much progress until:
1. You learn to play efficiently in normal register
2. Use the correct amount of lip to lip compression
3. Learn to not overblow (High notes take less air)
4. Learn when/how to use your core muscles to provide support
5. Remove tension in you upper body as you ascend
And that may require a few lessons. _________________ Gary Wood (comeback player with no street cred)
GR 66M/66MS/66**
Bach Strad 37
Getzen 3052
Yamaha 6345 |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Trumpjerele wrote: | ... What range do I need to master to need specialized high note material? ... |
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With standard 'good technique' and regular practice, a typical player can have a playable range up to the C above the staff.
No specialized high note material is needed - but many (all) of those special methods DO build from a base of standard good technique, and add their own special ways to extend high range beyond 'high C'.
I've tried to describe the basic 'good technique' embouchure functions here -
http://users.hancock.net/jkosta/Embouchure_Basic_Concepts.htm
It is not intended to 'teach' you how to play, but to explain what needs to be happening when you play. When you study any of the various 'specialized material', try to understand how those techniques relate to the basics. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Haven’t played much in too long. |
If you are practicing from standards like Arban's Method and Clarke's Technical Studies you already have great material to work with for building fundamentals and range. Unfortunately, you aren't going to get good results from ANY method if you are not putting in solid practice time. Commit to practicing more, and work with a teacher who can help you figure out what and how to practice for best results. The "how" matters at least as much as the "what."
Good luck! |
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