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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:08 am Post subject: Mute Madness |
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Trying to have a Harmon solo heard in a band without mics is nuts IMHO. I use a straight mute unless I'm ordered otherwise. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Totally agree. I think that is often true with the use of a Harmon mute in section playing as well. If the stem is out it needs amplification or a rethink of the mute choice. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Dayton wrote: | , , or a rethink of the mute choice. |
. . or instrument choice. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Agreed. We always use straight mutes.
I've been wondering if a Chicago Stinger might be of use for some of the substitutions.
https://www.hirschmanmutes.com/#pricing |
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ayryq Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:16 am Post subject: |
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For solos I'd definitely suggest not trying to be heard. Play like you have a mic, and hopefully someone will say, hey we can't hear the soloist.
In section work, I think a section of unamplified harmons has its place, if the orchestration is sensitive. _________________ Yamaha YTR6345HGS Bb
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:39 am Post subject: |
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ayryq wrote: | For solos I'd definitely suggest not trying to be heard. Play like you have a mic, and hopefully someone will say, hey we can't hear the soloist. |
Hah, hah. Reverse psychology. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have done that.
But we need more info to really know a good solution. If it's just an acoustic quintet playing unamplified, that calls or one solution. If amplification is available. maybe another although it may not be worth the trouble if it's only for one passage. More info and context. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:27 am Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | Trying to have a Harmon solo heard in a band without mics is nuts IMHO. I use a straight mute unless I'm ordered otherwise. |
Jim, I have to say that I enjoy all of your posts. Keep it up.
Warm regards,
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, all!
Thought for the day: "The notes are there. Find them!" Mingus _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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It *should* be possible for the rest of the band to play underneath the soloist in volume. Then again, a lot of groups of the 'community' sort tend to be staffed heavily with people that have two volume settings, off, and ffff. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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