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Shaft
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More or less contextually speaking.

When I was younger I sought out any information I could find.
It came in the form of

Online write ups on how to approach trumpet playing
Method books in print
Videos of instruction
Private lessons with professors, professionals, etc.

So I asked because if Lionel or anyone else in general
is serious about playing high, or mastering the instrument in general…

Have they approached the path by including lessons with trumpeters
capable of playing how they want to play?

Or is it just a matter of opening up the Stevens Costello 100+ pg PDF
and approaching learning strictly that way?

Its not exactly black and white and I doubt it would be for anyone but the point is that we have many highly qualified performers, and teachers in the current era and it would be wise of anyone to tap into the vast ability and expertise on one’s path and build relationships along the way.

Robert P is right to ask for more in the sense that if one is to come on the forum and repeatedly say the entire education system needs to be overhauled to start kids off with the SC method yet has only 500-1000 word essays touting what is a 3 year embouchure change it just is simply not going to move the entire professional community to overhaul the educational system like that.

I have never heard anyone that is highly respected make such an advocation.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the seemingly acceptance of beginning students not starting with high notes - I don't teach this but I wish Jeff Smiiey would weigh in on this. It seems to me that his Balanced Embouchure sysem relates to this.

While certainly not using the C-S system exclusively, he has had success with teaching young students to play high with a rolled-in embouchure and these students can play in the stratosphere. What I don't know is how long this usually takes.

Perhaps Jeff can resolve some of this and the difference between teaching a rolled-in embouchure for high notes and conventional for the rest of the range, balanced and modulated between tessituras.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With any 'teaching system' there are 2 main parts -
1) the teaching of 'how to do' the action
2) the 'method' that is used to do the teaching

With trumpet playing, the 'how to do' is concerned with items such as embouchure setup and adjustment, air flow, tonguing, etc.

The 'method' can take many forms, and the C-S method uses its own type.

A successful teacher needs to have good ability in BOTH the aspects. If an ineffective method of teaching is used, then the 'how to do' might not get learned by the student.

With C-S (and others) , it is worthwhile to identify and learn the individual 'parts' of the system (including those that seem confusing, or which don't seem useful to you personally). And to then blend those parts in a manner that results in effective 'how to do' actions.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, I noticed this morning that, as part of their Black Friday sale, qPress is selling the Stevens-Costello Method at 60%;
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Result of this skeptical thread?
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