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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For 4G`s heres what you can do: Get an Olds Recording for 2G`s and send me rest! LOL
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A no brainer: 10 Monette Unity mouthpieces
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irving wrote:
A no brainer: 10 Monette Unity mouthpieces

Hey, I'll bet "Aspeyrer" and "Subtropical and Subpar" will have something to say about that
suggestion . . .
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halflip wrote:
Irving wrote:
A no brainer: 10 Monette Unity mouthpieces

Hey, I'll bet "Aspeyrer" and "Subtropical and Subpar" will have something to say about that
suggestion . . .


Nah, all of my Monette mouthpieces are from the 90s and work just fine. I'd sink $4k into either a new piccolo or several old cornets that I have no particular use for. Or maybe 4,000 Yamaha or Bach mouthpieces at cost because I have been told they cost one dollar to make.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:12 pm    Post subject: 4K Reply with quote

Look into Yamaha trumpets!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you live in the Austin area, you might want to check with Ben Osborne, who is an Edwards rep. He is 2nd trombone in the Austin Sym., and teaches some at Sam Houston State Univ. in Huntsville. In August he arranged for a rep at an H&H Music Store on the north side of Houston to "truck" the silver X-13 to the south side of town for me to try. Ben keeps it on reserve for potential buyers to playtest and will not sell that horn. I think he said the build time is about four months, and there was no wiggle room on price. I am still considering it but have too many other projects in the works right now. It's a great player.

https://www.edwards-instruments.com/dealers/

The "harmonic pillar system" borrowed from the Edwards Trombones is definitely a unique feature....01:45 on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AtMGcV1Kuk

https://www.edwards-instruments.com/trumpets/x-13-bflat-trumpet/

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=edwards+x13+trumpet+review+
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Picking up the mouthpiece idea as well. In your case a piece like a Curry TC or a GR FD could make sense. You seem to have a Mariachi-able trumpet or two and are looking to just change the sound for some tunes.

I had both the TC and FD pieces, kept the Curry because intonation on the FD cup (for me) was hard to control. Great sound on both, though.

These pieces will change/darken/soften/… your sound a lot. You won’t be mistaken for a flugel, but the sound is quite striking. I like my TC for that exact effect and contrast to my AR Resonance and Lotus pieces, which are much shallower.

You’ll still have 3900 bucks to spend, though 🥳
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
ericmpena wrote:
kehaulani wrote:
Do you own a flugelhorn?


I do not, but flugelhorns are typically not used in mariachi except in a few recordings. It would be great if I could keep a flugelhorn with me for the times when I want that dark sound…but it’s just no possible to have 2 horns with me during a mariachi gig.

Mariachi is exactly why I asked about flugelhorn. If the bulk of your work is Mariachi, and authentic Mariachi at that, I question your seeking a Goldilocks horn that will allow you that yet playing darkish. It seems to me you really need a Mariachi-specific horn and for darker work another horn, perhaps a flugelhorn. You an regulate the flugelhorn's relative darkness with mouthpieces.

If it were me, I'd get a Conn Connstellation, Yamaha Mariachi or Bach Mariachi. If you can find one, perhaps an Olds Mendez model, and then a flugelhorn. With both of these you should have all your bases covered.


+1 to this. To me (1) Mariachi + dark seems like a strange combination and (2) it sounds like the AW horn you have now is their concert horn, which I am guessing is darker, certainly darker than the other of their horns you mentioned, the "Broadway" 466, (3) there are some good posts on bright/dark on TH and they're worth a read. I'd probably just buy one of the Mariachi horns (beyond Bach and Yamaha, Carolbrass also makes one).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've already been through a lot of horns which, I suspect, you could find one that you can use. You haven't posted an example of the sound you seek. And the written word seems to be a little vague. Maybe you should take the advice above and visit a horn shop with many horns you can try.

You don't have that in middle Texas so maybe your answer is to take some of that $4,000.00 you have and take a trip to a shop that will give you the first-hand variety you want.

A couple of years ago, I had a serious quest for The horn and decided to do the same thing. It was just too theoretical, so I traveled to a shop that was first class.

I narrowed it down to three horns but just couldn't find a tie breaker between them. After a while, the head repairman came onto the room and hung a horn on the wall. I asked what that was and he said he just finished working it and was putting it on display.

I took it off the wall and put it through its paces and just went Wow. That was my horn. That was THE horn. I got a lot of use out of that horn. Going to that shop became the most effective thing I did.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brassnose wrote:
Picking up the mouthpiece idea as well. In your case a piece like a Curry TC or a GR FD could make sense. You seem to have a Mariachi-able trumpet or two and are looking to just change the sound for some tunes.

I had both the TC and FD pieces, kept the Curry because intonation on the FD cup (for me) was hard to control. Great sound on both, though.

These pieces will change/darken/soften/… your sound a lot. You won’t be mistaken for a flugel, but the sound is quite striking. I like my TC for that exact effect and contrast to my AR Resonance and Lotus pieces, which are much shallower.

You’ll still have 3900 bucks to spend, though 🥳


Lemme toss in a word for Austin Custom Brass's TF and FX mouthpiece lines, while we're at it. Both are flugel / flugel-ish cups, and as someone who plays a horn explicitly labelled a Mariachi horn (Kanstul 991, based on the Connstellation 38B which a lot of Mariachi players used over the years and decades), I can attest that a TF will considerably thicken and darken the sound. Make it a dark horn? Not exactly. You wouldn't mistake it for a cornet or a 72 bell. But it certainly takes the edge off.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're not overcomplicating things, are we?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, maybe 10 Monette mouthpieces aren't necessary. But 5, yes! So 5 Monette U's, and a $2000 custom made leather case, made out of the finest organically raised Australian kangaroo leather, with detachable pouch, complete with rare gem inlays, and biotech locks. Buy now, prices are only going to go up!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advise: spend your money to a good trumpet teacher; I remember seeing a concert with Jarmo Hoogendijk, I think it was 15 years ago. He was playing in a bebop combo, using his 60's Conn Connstellation. His sounds where between very deep and warm lyric to high compressed lead with sparkles and he didn't change his mouthpiece to achieve this sounds! The same experience I got when I met Erik Vloeimans during a masterclass. Erik was making the complete sound pallet between a flugelhorn and a commercial high energy trumpet just with his Van Laar Oriam trumpet, again with no mouthpiece changing!
Don't think money can bring you the artistic needs that you want to forfill, you'll have to do it your own. Maybe a good teacher can offer you a helping hand
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irving wrote:
OK, maybe 10 Monette mouthpieces aren't necessary. But 5, yes! So 5 Monette U's, and a $2000 custom made leather case, made out of the finest organically raised Australian kangaroo leather, with detachable pouch, complete with rare gem inlays, and biotech locks. Buy now, prices are only going to go up!


In the mid-90s I bought a new Monette mouthpiece for $190 and a new Bach Strad for $974. Today a Monette mouthpiece costs $410 and a Bach Strad costs $3,500. So over 25 years the nominal dollar cost of a Monette mouthpiece has gone up 133% and the price of a Bach Strad has increased 259.3%. Where are all the "Buy now, prices are only going to go up!" comments on Bach Strads, or Yamahas, given that their price increases have far outstripped Monette's? I am genuinely curious.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Subtropical and Subpar"][quote="Irving"]OK, maybe 10 Monette mouthpieces aren't necessary. But 5, yes! So 5 Monette U's, and a $2000 custom made leather case, made out of the finest organically raised Australian kangaroo leather, with detachable pouch, complete with rare gem inlays, and biotech locks. Buy now, prices are only going to go up![/quote]

In the mid-90s I bought a new Monette mouthpiece for $190 and a new Bach Strad for $974. Today a Monette mouthpiece costs $410 and a Bach Strad costs $3,500. So over 25 years the nominal dollar cost of a Monette mouthpiece has gone up 133% and the price of a Bach Strad has increased 259.3%. Where are all the "Buy now, prices are only going to go up!" comments on Bach Strads, or Yamahas, given that their price increases have far outstripped Monette's? I am genuinely curious.[/quote]

Most Monette trumpet mouthpieces cost under $300. Only one model costs $415. Your numbers are off, considerably.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nonprokingdom wrote:
Subtropical and Subpar wrote:
Irving wrote:
OK, maybe 10 Monette mouthpieces aren't necessary. But 5, yes! So 5 Monette U's, and a $2000 custom made leather case, made out of the finest organically raised Australian kangaroo leather, with detachable pouch, complete with rare gem inlays, and biotech locks. Buy now, prices are only going to go up!


In the mid-90s I bought a new Monette mouthpiece for $190 and a new Bach Strad for $974. Today a Monette mouthpiece costs $410 and a Bach Strad costs $3,500. So over 25 years the nominal dollar cost of a Monette mouthpiece has gone up 133% and the price of a Bach Strad has increased 259.3%. Where are all the "Buy now, prices are only going to go up!" comments on Bach Strads, or Yamahas, given that their price increases have far outstripped Monette's? I am genuinely curious.


Most Monette trumpet mouthpieces cost under $300. Only one model costs $415. Your numbers are off, considerably.


That most Monette mouthpieces are $300 only reinforces my point. As youll recall, since you created a new account the other day to comment on the Monette Unity thread, the recent contention on TH is over the $410 Monette Unity mouthpieces. The rest of my numbers are entirely accurate.
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Hi Eric (?).... Paul Deemer who lives there in Austin is a B.A.C. Trombone & Trumpet Artist, I recently played a festival with him (The band Calexico) and was primarily playing trumpet, I was really digging his sound (subjective I know) on a Paseo (?) model, brushed.... you can probably locate him through pauldeemer.com He may even let you try his..... happy hunting!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You definitely have an issue with numbers;
Monette Unity pieces cost $415.

You have just refuted your own point. Trolling yourself is a new level, I dig it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rickperon wrote:
Hi Eric (?).... Paul Deemer who lives there in Austin is a B.A.C. Trombone & Trumpet Artist, I recently played a festival with him (The band Calexico) and was primarily playing trumpet, I was really digging his sound (subjective I know) on a Paseo (?) model, brushed.... you can probably locate him through pauldeemer.com He may even let you try his..... happy hunting!
Rick Peron


Yeah, I know Paul. I’ve played a few salsa gigs with him before. Great trombone player! I didn’t know he played trumpet as well. I’ll have to reach out and ask him about that.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies. I’ve been wanting to respond but weekends are insanely busy for me. Finally finished up with gigs so now I can maybe give a few more details about what I’m hoping to find.

First, I finally found a video where the sound is near exactly what I’m looking for. The horn is a Coppernicus. Take a listen at 4:50 in the video. The sound with the TA1-CS mouthpiece is in my head what I’m going for. Something that can be bright up top, but mellows out when you come back to the mid or low range.

Video: https://youtu.be/OlrRaO-m1wI

Any other horns out there with similar characteristics? Something that can be both a little dark and then bright…depending on how you play it?

Again, I’d prefer brushed brass. I’m not a fan of polished finishes…but I guess the sound is priority.

I’m not super familiar with warranties either, but with this kind of money I think I’d prefer something that has a fantastic warranty and company that stands behind their product.

My current AW Stage 460 sounds good, but I’m wanting just a tad bit more round of a sound. Also, the playability on the 460 is fair, but not nearly as good as the Stage 466 I played. The 466 felt effortless and extremely responsive. I could be done with questions and just purchase the 466, but before I drop $3500 on the AW Stage 466, I’d like to know which other horns could give me similar results…or better results…for the same price or even a little more.

Unfortunately, I have little knowledge when it comes to equipment like mouthpieces and horns. I don’t know the ins and outs of what to look for specifically to make a horn better than others…I just use whatever works for me. So any pointers are greatly appreciated!

I know I don’t like 470 bore. 460 bore is okay, but after playing the 466 I realize now what I’m missing out on.
I don’t like bells that are so flared that the sounds spreads too much. I don’t like the typical Strad trumpet sound that I get out of my Bach 43.
The Balanced Ballad 1 weighed too much for me to want to hold for more than 1-2 hours a day. Slotting was also a little too loose. Visually it was beautiful. I would buy it if my arms were stronger!
I don’t like polished finished. I have very acidic hands and found that brushed finishes seem to look better for longer than when I play polished horns. Not sure why that is. My hand still eats away the lacquer on brushed horns, but it’s just not as noticeable.

At this point, the AW Stage 466 and Adam’s A4 probably have my attention the most.

I’m still doing research on the AR Resonance and Edwards.
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