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dracul Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:28 am Post subject: Kanstul Parts?? (Finger Buttons) |
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I was wondering if there are any places that stock Kanstul OEM parts. I need some new silver finger buttons for my 1070 and can't seem to locate a dealer. Thanks so much! _________________ Safari never ends
Schilke XA1
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Would Jack Kanstul have any info on parts?
Kent |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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You could try them: https://www.divitt-trumpets.com/buttons.html _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Try B.A.C in Kansas City. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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oxleyk wrote: | Would Jack Kanstul have any info on parts?
Kent |
I agree. I'd start by sending Jack Kanstul an email, on the assumption that he still receives email at jack@kanstulmusic.com. If not, message him on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/jack.kanstul. If all that fails, other good suggestions were made.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3275 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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A good first step would be to determine the size and thread pitch of the screw on the button.
I'd start by measuring the thread pitch with a good ruler that will do both metric and fractional inches.
Then find someone with a good caliper or micrometer and measure the diameter - you might have to convert to metric if the the pitch is metric. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Riojazz wrote: | Try B.A.C in Kansas City. |
This.
B.A.C. acquired most of Kanstul's tooling and parts a while back.
One further lead -- I reached out to B.A.C. once to see if they had any spare Kanstul flugelhorn 3rd valve triggers. They were kind enough to check, but did not have any. However, they told me that they had transferred a lot of the Kanstul parts inventory to Allied Music Supply. I had to go through a professional brass repair tech to ask Allied (they don't deal in retail transactions with the general public), and in my case they couldn't help me either, but they might be worth a try in your case. If Allied had some, they'd probably be in raw brass, but getting them silver-plated shouldn't be a problem.
And yet another lead -- Robb Stewart. His shop was close to the Kanstul factory, and Kanstul was a primary source of parts for him when he built custom horns. He built a couple for me, and they both used Kanstul valve blocks with those simple all-brass finger buttons. He might have some spares lying around.
Come to think of it, Brian Douglas ("shofarguy" on this forum) had kind of a close relationship with Kanstul, so he might have some ideas for you as well.
Final thought -- Per the Kanstul website (still up for historical purposes), your trumpet uses those same all-brass buttons that Kanstul used on a lot of their pro-level trumpets. They are so simple that fabrication might be a viable last-resort option ("kehaulani" mentioned Divitt -- based on what their website says, they might even have those Kanstul buttons in stock, although they seem to favor buttons that are designed to use decorative inserts). |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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While I don’t presume to speak for Divitt if he has the replacement buttons I wonder why he didn’t mention it when he was the first to reply. |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | While I don’t presume to speak for Divitt if he has the replacement buttons I wonder why he didn’t mention it when he was the first to reply. |
Pretty sure He could make you finger buttons. They wouldn't be factory finger buttons. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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There is a pretty good chance your Kanstul finger buttons have 8-32 threads.
If they do, then Olds, Getzen, Conn (USA), Selmer and King buttons would fit.
You would then need to adjust your down stroke pads and perhaps install 8-32 Allen screws. The student Kings are nice if you like an all metal button with a shaped top.
6-36 Bach, Benge, Holton, Bundy
4.0*.7 mm Besson, Yamaha, Japanese Conns
6-32 Blessing
Custom buttons - Harrelson Trumpets, KGU Brass
Exact replacement - as mentioned above - have your repair person contact Allied. |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | While I don’t presume to speak for Divitt if he has the replacement buttons I wonder why he didn’t mention it when he was the first to reply. |
That is an excellent question; I completely overlooked the identity of the second poster!
Perhaps "Divitt Trumpets" will be kind enough to circle back and indicate whether they could fabricate duplicates of the Kanstul buttons.
The OP spoke of "stock Kanstul OEM parts". Several of the replies in this thread beg the question of whether that is a non-negotiable item, or whether a matched set of buttons in a different style would be acceptable to the OP (as long as the valves could be aligned properly). |
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WFUnix Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'd try B.A.C. first as others have mentioned. You could also try others companies that Kanstul manufactured trumpets or parts for: Flip Oakes, Callet, Scodwell. |
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I generally don't keep OEM buttons in stock other than Yamaha and Bach, since those are the most common brands by far.
I do have measurements for the critical parts of the Kanstul button design, though.
The buttons are the smooth, lightweight ones, so I can make new ones that are close to the originals (or the same if I had one in hand to copy), but I don't have the setup to do plating. _________________ www.divitt-trumpets.com
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Winghorn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Andy Cooper wrote: | There is a pretty good chance your Kanstul finger buttons have 8-32 threads.
If they do, then Olds, Getzen, Conn (USA), Selmer and King buttons would fit.
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My Conn 60B's valve buttons fit my Kanstul-built Destion 5*. |
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mm55 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | A good first step would be to determine the size and thread pitch of the screw on the button.
I'd start by measuring the thread pitch with a good ruler that will do both metric and fractional inches.
Then find someone with a good caliper or micrometer and measure the diameter - you might have to convert to metric if the the pitch is metric. |
Or just go to your hardware store and use the thread gauge in the screws-and-nuts department. This is probably a more reliable way of identifying thread sizes, and much easier than trying to derive screw sizes from measurements. And as been suggested, try the #8-32 size first, as it's the most likely. _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
'79 King Silver Flair
'07 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
'42 Selmer US
'90 Yamaha YTR6450S(C)
'12 Eastman ETR-540S (D/Eb)
'10 Carol CPT-300LR pkt
'89 Yamaha YCR2330S crnt
'13 CarolBrass CFL-6200-GSS-BG flg
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
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Liberty Lips Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:32 am Post subject: |
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trpthrld wrote: | BAC received several crates of Kanstul parts...NONE of which were marked as what part to what. So asking them to pull specific parts - good luck with that.
It's not BAC's fault. They got totally screwed by Mark Kanstul in the sales deal.
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I'm curious about this comment. Getting "totally screwed" implies much more than just unmarked crates. |
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Winghorn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Divitt Trumpets wrote: | Kanstul does use 8-32, but the other critical measurement is the depth of the skirt on the underside of the button, as that sets the downstroke alignment. |
Depends on the horn. Instruments like Benges (and my Destino 5*) use felt pads to set the downstroke alignment. The skirt never touches anything. |
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