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dracul
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:28 am    Post subject: Kanstul Parts?? (Finger Buttons) Reply with quote

I was wondering if there are any places that stock Kanstul OEM parts. I need some new silver finger buttons for my 1070 and can't seem to locate a dealer. Thanks so much!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kanstul doesn't exist anymore, so there are no dealers.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would Jack Kanstul have any info on parts?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could try them: https://www.divitt-trumpets.com/buttons.html
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try B.A.C in Kansas City.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxleyk wrote:
Would Jack Kanstul have any info on parts?

Kent

I agree. I'd start by sending Jack Kanstul an email, on the assumption that he still receives email at jack@kanstulmusic.com. If not, message him on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/jack.kanstul. If all that fails, other good suggestions were made.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good first step would be to determine the size and thread pitch of the screw on the button.
I'd start by measuring the thread pitch with a good ruler that will do both metric and fractional inches.
Then find someone with a good caliper or micrometer and measure the diameter - you might have to convert to metric if the the pitch is metric.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riojazz wrote:
Try B.A.C in Kansas City.

This.

B.A.C. acquired most of Kanstul's tooling and parts a while back.

One further lead -- I reached out to B.A.C. once to see if they had any spare Kanstul flugelhorn 3rd valve triggers. They were kind enough to check, but did not have any. However, they told me that they had transferred a lot of the Kanstul parts inventory to Allied Music Supply. I had to go through a professional brass repair tech to ask Allied (they don't deal in retail transactions with the general public), and in my case they couldn't help me either, but they might be worth a try in your case. If Allied had some, they'd probably be in raw brass, but getting them silver-plated shouldn't be a problem.

And yet another lead -- Robb Stewart. His shop was close to the Kanstul factory, and Kanstul was a primary source of parts for him when he built custom horns. He built a couple for me, and they both used Kanstul valve blocks with those simple all-brass finger buttons. He might have some spares lying around.

Come to think of it, Brian Douglas ("shofarguy" on this forum) had kind of a close relationship with Kanstul, so he might have some ideas for you as well.

Final thought -- Per the Kanstul website (still up for historical purposes), your trumpet uses those same all-brass buttons that Kanstul used on a lot of their pro-level trumpets. They are so simple that fabrication might be a viable last-resort option ("kehaulani" mentioned Divitt -- based on what their website says, they might even have those Kanstul buttons in stock, although they seem to favor buttons that are designed to use decorative inserts).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I don’t presume to speak for Divitt if he has the replacement buttons I wonder why he didn’t mention it when he was the first to reply.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleRusty wrote:
While I don’t presume to speak for Divitt if he has the replacement buttons I wonder why he didn’t mention it when he was the first to reply.

Pretty sure He could make you finger buttons. They wouldn't be factory finger buttons.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BAC received several crates of Kanstul parts...NONE of which were marked as what part to what. So asking them to pull specific parts - good luck with that.

It's not BAC's fault. They got totally screwed by Mark Kanstul in the sales deal.

A guy worth trying is Mike Thomas - he still sells the Burbank trumpets. He's come thru for me on parts.

www.burbanktrumpets.com/

He's also the Thomas of "Roche-Thomas." A really great guy with a terrific knowledge of LA Trumpet history.

You can reach him thru that web site.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a pretty good chance your Kanstul finger buttons have 8-32 threads.
If they do, then Olds, Getzen, Conn (USA), Selmer and King buttons would fit.

You would then need to adjust your down stroke pads and perhaps install 8-32 Allen screws. The student Kings are nice if you like an all metal button with a shaped top.

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Exact replacement - as mentioned above - have your repair person contact Allied.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleRusty wrote:
While I don’t presume to speak for Divitt if he has the replacement buttons I wonder why he didn’t mention it when he was the first to reply.


That is an excellent question; I completely overlooked the identity of the second poster!

Perhaps "Divitt Trumpets" will be kind enough to circle back and indicate whether they could fabricate duplicates of the Kanstul buttons.

The OP spoke of "stock Kanstul OEM parts". Several of the replies in this thread beg the question of whether that is a non-negotiable item, or whether a matched set of buttons in a different style would be acceptable to the OP (as long as the valves could be aligned properly).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd try B.A.C. first as others have mentioned. You could also try others companies that Kanstul manufactured trumpets or parts for: Flip Oakes, Callet, Scodwell.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I generally don't keep OEM buttons in stock other than Yamaha and Bach, since those are the most common brands by far.

I do have measurements for the critical parts of the Kanstul button design, though.

The buttons are the smooth, lightweight ones, so I can make new ones that are close to the originals (or the same if I had one in hand to copy), but I don't have the setup to do plating.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy Cooper wrote:
There is a pretty good chance your Kanstul finger buttons have 8-32 threads.
If they do, then Olds, Getzen, Conn (USA), Selmer and King buttons would fit.
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My Conn 60B's valve buttons fit my Kanstul-built Destion 5*.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayKosta wrote:
A good first step would be to determine the size and thread pitch of the screw on the button.
I'd start by measuring the thread pitch with a good ruler that will do both metric and fractional inches.
Then find someone with a good caliper or micrometer and measure the diameter - you might have to convert to metric if the the pitch is metric.

Or just go to your hardware store and use the thread gauge in the screws-and-nuts department. This is probably a more reliable way of identifying thread sizes, and much easier than trying to derive screw sizes from measurements. And as been suggested, try the #8-32 size first, as it's the most likely.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kanstul does use 8-32, but the other critical measurement is the depth of the skirt on the underside of the button, as that sets the downstroke alignment.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trpthrld wrote:
BAC received several crates of Kanstul parts...NONE of which were marked as what part to what. So asking them to pull specific parts - good luck with that.

It's not BAC's fault. They got totally screwed by Mark Kanstul in the sales deal.

I'm curious about this comment. Getting "totally screwed" implies much more than just unmarked crates.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Divitt Trumpets wrote:
Kanstul does use 8-32, but the other critical measurement is the depth of the skirt on the underside of the button, as that sets the downstroke alignment.


Depends on the horn. Instruments like Benges (and my Destino 5*) use felt pads to set the downstroke alignment. The skirt never touches anything.
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