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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:42 pm Post subject: Andrea Guiffredi model by Carol Brass |
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I just came across this: https://www.facebook.com/CarolBrass-Wind-Instruments-144551498918614/photos/pcb.7637334916306864/7637330619640627
This is the new Giuffredi model by CB and the thing that I find interesting is the fact that the valve casing appears to be bronze/gold brass/red brass (judging by the color). This would be a first for CB or am I mistaken?
For someone like me who always has issues with red rot (yes I do clean my horns) this could be interesting. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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OK, just answering my own question. Further down on the same site CB states that they used a Cu/Ni alloy for the casing. Interesting. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Just as a general observation Carolbrass does seem to like to play around with different alloys; they have trumpet models that are almost entirely phosphor bronze, for example, or almost entirely red brass - I think including the valve casing (but am not positive). And many of their horns are available with a sterling silver leadpipe, which obviously does not rot out. I've never tried any of their trumpets (my Manchester flugel is made by them) but it is all interesting. A friend test-drove an almost-all-red-brass Carol trumpet a few months ago and sounded gorgeous on it - rich, lush, lyrical, warm - but ultimately wound up with a Yammie of some sort. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, CB has been on my radar for a long time. I am especially interested in their cornets, but have no use for one (and no money …) at the moment. Being able to select all sorts of materials is half the fun for a materials scientist 🤩
Will see how all my different ideas and wishes and funding hopes come along in the future. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | Yeah, CB has been on my radar for a long time. I am especially interested in their cornets, but have no use for one (and no money …) at the moment. Being able to select all sorts of materials is half the fun for a materials scientist 🤩
Will see how all my different ideas and wishes and funding hopes come along in the future. |
I hear you. I am fascinated by the different materials that have been used over the years in horn manufacturing. Given an unlimited budget I would have trumpets in every conceivable alloy just for fun. Like I would buy an old Reynolds Argenta simply because the entire thing was nickel - not nickel plated, solid nickel - and I'm curious how that would be to play.
As long as we're talking cornets let me put in a word for just getting an excellent condition used Connstellation. There's endless debate over whether the leadpipe and bell under the nickel plated are copper (Coprion in Conn-speak) or copper over brass (Electro-D in Conn-speak) but the one I picked up was and is completely free from rot AND feels like it was built to last centuries. Intonation is solid and with different mouthpiece depths it can sound like anything from early Louis Armstrong to a flugelhorn. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Of all the Carol horns i've tried only the 5000 large bell stands out as a "particular trumpet". Sadly is not in production anymore (only the "small" 37 like bell is available).
This is only for my limited experience of the few trumptes i've been able to play. _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
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Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
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Brent Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:35 am Post subject: Carol |
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Actually, plenty of Carol models still utilize their larger bell, including the horn the OP posted about.
Carol trumpets are truly 'sleeper' horns. They have an endless amount a models to choose from, and their quality is as good as any horn maker. _________________ Brent |
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Carol |
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Brent wrote: | Actually, plenty of Carol models still utilize their larger bell, including the horn the OP posted about. |
I know, but "that" silver plated 5000 with 72like bell was something special, price included. I wonder why is not produced anymore while the lacquered 37like is (good trumpet but -imho- nothing special).
Let's see if this Giuffredi model will live up to expectations. _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:22 am Post subject: |
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@subtropical, yes, this is it. I have been looking at the Reynolds Argenta and the Olds Opera for the very same reasons. Alternatively, AR Resonance or Baumann can build you a nickel horn, but they are slightly pricier _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier
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Trumpetingbynurture Heavyweight Member
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Carol |
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No it isn't: the model you linked from the Carol official site is the 37 bell version in lacquer.
The model from the trevorjones site is listed as the L (72) bell model but the picture is the same of the 37 bell model so i think there's a mistake in description. _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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Brent Heavyweight Member
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RETrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Carol will make anything you want. Just send the right model number.
*https://www.carolbrass.com/upload/other/files/Materials%20model's%20numbering%20instruction.pdf*
(TH doesn't like the pdf link, so you will need to copy/paste)
I ordered a custom 5.25 inch rose brass "72" bell in scratched lacquer for my tuning bell horn a while back (and a bunch of other stuff). I just contacted Doug Teeter here in the TH marketplace and everything came direct from the factory in a few weeks. _________________ Bb: FrankenBach, '72 Committee, Conn 22B, King 2070SGX
C: Bach 229-MK slide/pipe, Bach 226 with YTR-9445(2) pipe
D/Eb: Bach 239 with YTR-9636 pipe
Picc: Stomvi Master, Couesnon Monopole
Cornet: Schilke A2C, '23 Buescher
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Trumpetingbynurture Heavyweight Member
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | @subtropical, yes, this is it. I have been looking at the Reynolds Argenta and the Olds Opera form the very same reasons. Alternatively, AR Resonance or Baumann can build you a nickel horn, but they are slightly pricier |
I believe (but am not certain) that while the Argenta is solid nickel, the Olds Opera is only nickel-plated, much as the Connstellations were nickel-plated. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest, I am not sure either, the web has conflicting info and over here I know nobody playing Olds, so I can’t ask.
There is also the Hüttl Silver Colibri that comes up occasionally here, which is said to have a solid nickel silver bell. Maybe, but I have also seen photos where there seems to be brass underneath what looks to be nickel silver. Questions, questions …
Clearly though, there are folks that could build nickel silver instruments, but new those will be pricey. Here is someone who builds everything from nickel silver: https://www.musikinstrumente-neusilber.de/Musikinstrumente.html Poor website, but good instruments as far as I hear. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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wiemelen Veteran Member
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | To be honest, I am not sure either, the web has conflicting info and over here I know nobody playing Olds, so I can’t ask. |
The Olds Opera "Premiere" was not nickel-plated. Here's a picture from the 1962 catalog, showing an accurate indication of the various alloys:
http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds62/operatru.htm
And the catalog does say, "nickel-silver."
However, there was also an Opera "Fanfare" model which didn't have the nickel-silver bell. The Opera Fanfare is included on this 1960 price list, but no details are given (except that it was $30.50 cheaper than the nickel-silver version):
http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds60/60price1.htm _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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chapahi Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:50 am Post subject: |
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I asked Thomann.de here in Germany and they won't be offering this model. They offer hundreds of Carol Brass instruments but not this one. Search results yield nothing other than U.S. dealers. How can I get my meat hooks on one? _________________ Sima, Kanstul 1525 Flugel and Kanstul pocket trumpet. Olds Super |
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Shawnino Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Won't Thomann bring one in for you if you ask?
They have custom-ordered me stuff, and I'm nowhere near Germany.
Anyway, if not, e-mail Anne Huang at office@carolbrass.com
One way or another she will get you sorted. |
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