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Trumpetstud Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:05 am Post subject: Weight vs good playing |
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I was told heavier players can play better that lighter weight players. Any validity to that? |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:07 am Post subject: |
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You're kidding, right? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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tomba51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Bobby Shew & Al Hirt - Larger players
Doc Severinsen & Allan Vizzutti - Slender players
You can find countless other examples of excellent players who are either large or small. _________________ Tom Barreca |
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Steve A Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 1808 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Weight vs good playing |
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Trumpetstud wrote: | I was told heavier players can play better that lighter weight players. Any validity to that? |
Nope. Absolutely none, whatsoever. |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 691 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Weight vs good playing |
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Trumpetstud wrote: | I was told heavier players can play better that lighter weight players. Any validity to that? |
Guess back when I was band directing I should've just had a weigh in for chair positions!
Guess to make it more equitable, we should use body mass index....
Nah, too much math..
I can just imagine telling the kids, "Have seconds this weekend, chair tests Monday!!"
And I would get a LOT more solos in the concert band.... _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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no _________________ Bill Bergren |
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I lost about 50 pounds a few years ago. Playing (as well as everything else in life) is much easier now that I’m not overweight. Good health makes the trumpet easier. |
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area51recording Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know.....In my adult life I've been as heavy as 230 lbs, as skinny as 155....(I weigh about 185 now) and my playing has sucked at both of those extremes.....come to think of it, everywhere in between as well.....fat is just....well.....FAT. How in EARTH could it make you play better? |
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dbacon Heavyweight Member
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:36 am Post subject: |
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I've never associated weight with making a player better, but I have noticed those with a more, what I call, Germanic-Scandinavian facial structure and/or larger lung capacity seeming to have some advantages, especially in producing huge orchestral sounds in fff passages. Bud Herseth and Phil Smith have always struck me as having that kind of jaw structure. I've played with some guys who obviously had bigger lungs than most and who seemed to last longer and their sound carry farther.*
But then I turn around and look at Tom Hooten and Jim Wilk in the LA Phil and think, "Well, that reasoning don't fit!"
(*Oh, and the "large jaw structure" thing was pointed out to me years ago...by a tuba player...since I had a skinny face. I've always wondered if he was trying to tell me something....) |
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Muscle weighs more than fat...just saying |
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Jim19043 Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I view weight and BMI and muscle mass and body structure as just some of the factors that may go into being a better wind player. There are numerous examples of trumpet players who had serious health problems, including obesity, drug use, and even tuberculosis, but who played and performed and recorded beautifully. Then, there are disabled persons who overcome their physical limitations and achieve greatness. I think it's essential to factor into the assessment the individual's drive, self-discipline, and commitment to music. Not to mention talent, training, and opportunities to play with excellent musicians. _________________ Jim19043
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Sonic52 New Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:46 am Post subject: |
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It depends on whether you carry your extra weight in your mouthpiece or your valve caps. |
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Jaw04 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:04 am Post subject: |
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It is important for players that have any doubts about their physical makeup to never forget:
Obese, skinny, male, female, small, tall, short, straight teeth, crooked teeth, narrow mouth, wide mouth, underbite, overbite, black, white, asian, all races, small lips, big lips... there is an example of every type of human reaching the highest level of playing. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Jaw04 wrote: | It is important for players that have any doubts about their physical makeup to never forget:
Obese, skinny, male, female, small, tall, short, straight teeth, crooked teeth, narrow mouth, wide mouth, underbite, overbite, black, white, asian, all races, small lips, big lips... there is an example of every type of human reaching the highest level of playing. |
This. ☝️
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:13 am Post subject: |
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They may have a fat sound.
But beware if they are the ones "stamping in" the band.
_________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Weight vs good playing |
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Trumpetstud wrote: | I was told heavier players can play better that lighter weight players. Any validity to that? |
Difficult to prove, since most trumpet players are fat-headed.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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peanuts56 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:13 am Post subject: Re: Weight vs good playing |
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TrumpetMD wrote: | Trumpetstud wrote: | I was told heavier players can play better that lighter weight players. Any validity to that? |
Difficult to prove, since most trumpet players are fat-headed.
Mike |
I was told once that brain material contains fat. If that's true I guess we're all fat heads. Doc, can you jump in to clarify.
I'm Irish/Italian and have been called thick headed many times. The Italian term for thick head is cabbadost. One of my wife's nicknames for me!!!! |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Weight vs good playing |
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peanuts56 wrote: | TrumpetMD wrote: | Trumpetstud wrote: | I was told heavier players can play better that lighter weight players. Any validity to that? |
Difficult to prove, since most trumpet players are fat-headed.
Mike |
I was told once that brain material contains fat. If that's true I guess we're all fat heads. Doc, can you jump in to clarify.
I'm Irish/Italian and have been called thick headed many times. The Italian term for thick head is cabbadost. One of my wife's nicknames for me!!!! |
Yes, the brain is mostly fat. Italian family here too. Familiar with term.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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