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rbtrumpet86 Regular Member
Joined: 17 Aug 2011 Posts: 75 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:26 am Post subject: Bach vs. Bach vs. Shires |
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Hey all,
I thought you might be interested in this video I made comparing my personal Bach C trumpet, a Bach C190 C trumpet, and a Shires 4S8 C trumpet. I played a bunch of excerpts and let the horns speak for themselves. If you do watch it, let me know if you can figure out the order on the mystery excerpt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKfzx4t1IJE&t=57s
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2326 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! I hesitated to check out the video at first - thinking it was just another joker out to promote his horn selection.
Well done. And as I commented on YouTube I enjoyed just listening to you play - beautiful on all 3 trumpets.
Bonus, I think you reinforced my choice of C's - now I need to go practice.
FYi - I was 6 out of 7, picking the Shires vs. one of the Bach's, and 4 of the 7 getting the Bach right .
I won't say which is my guess for the mystery trumpet.. I don't want to ruin my stats.
Cheers _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman
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JWG Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2011 Posts: 258
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Beautiful playing! . . . my conclusion . . . Ryan sounded great regardless of the minor differences between the three horns.
I feel more interested in reading Ryan's own impressions as to the ease of expression and intonation and whether there existed any aspect on any of the three horns that he did or did not like or that challenged him. _________________ Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb and C with 1.5 TCC, XT, C, C-O, O, & L mouthpieces
Bach 183S (undersprung valves & straight taper pipe) with 1.5 Flip Oakes XF |
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LDK-97 Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:12 am Post subject: |
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I’m a Bach guy but the Shires sounded great! _________________ Bach Stradivarius Artisan Bb
Bach Stradivarius 43/Blackburn 19 Bb
Bach Stradivarius 229 25A C
Bach Stradivarius Artisan Piccolo
Yamaha 8335GS Neo Bb |
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bagmangood Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Feb 2009 Posts: 1352 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Great, now I want a sterling 239 bell for my Akright C
Lovely playing and appreciate the approach in demonstrating all the horns! _________________ More than one trumpet
A "few" mouthpieces |
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Notlem Veteran Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2021 Posts: 127
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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There had been parts that was hard to distinguish your bach from the shires.
Also really suprised how much the horns changed based on what was being played. softer vs louder really changes the sound shape though the passages.
The Bach 190 had some more weight to it on the Lower notes and on the one with fast toughing, it was apparent that the other two horns sounded smoother though those sections. Honestly not sure if I liked it better for that or not, but the note separation was more profound to me. The 190 had would call crisper articulations in general. However, tuning on low D for C190 seemed like it required more work to bring it in line after the initial landing.
Wild guess: C190, your bach, shires.
So the real question is, is that silver bell worth the cost of entry over the shires?
What’s the feedback on your side if the bell versus what’s coming out on the end we can hear?
-marc
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Goby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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bagmangood wrote: | Great, now I want a sterling 239 bell for my Akright C
Lovely playing and appreciate the approach in demonstrating all the horns! |
Don't you dare lay a finger on that Akright C! Severinsen Bel Cantos are the best horns ever. |
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bagmangood Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Goby wrote: |
Don't you dare lay a finger on that Akright C! Severinsen Bel Cantos are the best horns ever. |
I have an Akright (Bach) conversion with a tunable bell. All of the ones I've played are quite good - but the nice thing here is I don't have to "lose" what I have
Just need to see if I can the appropriate parts to fit (and justify the cost ) _________________ More than one trumpet
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rbtrumpet86 Regular Member
Joined: 17 Aug 2011 Posts: 75 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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JWG wrote: | Beautiful playing! . . . my conclusion . . . Ryan sounded great regardless of the minor differences between the three horns.
I feel more interested in reading Ryan's own impressions as to the ease of expression and intonation and whether there existed any aspect on any of the three horns that he did or did not like or that challenged him. |
I did do a review video of both the C190 and the Shires horn on Houghton Horns YouTube channel, so that might answer some of these questions.
Overall, I thought the 190 and the Shires were more in tune and easier to play than mine. But I could tell they weren't the "right" horns, if that makes any sense. I enjoyed playing them, and they revealed the reality that some of the problems I experience in my playing might have solutions in other equipment. |
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