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random_abstract Regular Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2013 Posts: 72 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:51 am Post subject: Schilke GP rims different? |
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Hi - has anyone noticed a difference in the rims on the factory gold plated mouthpieces from Schilke, as opposed to the standard silver plate versions?
I am looking at a new Schilke 17 GP, and the rim is noticeably sharper, rounder, and slightly narrower than the old silver 17 I’m used to. It also has a straight cylindrical section on the outside of the rim, where the older version slopes down from the outer edge of the rim in a nice curve.
Maybe they cut the GP rims sharper to account for the slipperiness of the gold. Or maybe Schilke has updated the rim?
Appreciate any input, thanks. |
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BigE Regular Member
Joined: 22 Mar 2022 Posts: 11
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I don’t think anything is supposed to be different but my 2 20D2d mouthpieces are a bit different as well. Fresh on the day I don’t notice it but back to back they feel different. Mine are both silver plated and one was enlarged to a 22 throat. |
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gord-o Veteran Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 280 Location: Sioux Falls, SD
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Back when I played a Schilke 15 I decided to get a new back up 15 just in case. The rims were different, and the ages of the pieces were maybe 7 years apart. My college teacher had two Schilke pieces, same model, that were purchased years apart and they also had different rims. I think this topic has come up here in the past, and we aren't the only people here who have noticed that things about Schilke pieces have changed over the years. _________________ Richard Hastings
Brass and Stringed Instrument Repair,
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random_abstract Regular Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2013 Posts: 72 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Just revisiting this question, as I've had the chance during my latest safari to compare several new Schilke mouthpieces with older versions of the same size. Not only are some of the rims different, some of the newer ones are also slightly shorter, by about 1/16". Has anyone else noticed this? Has Schilke recently updated their mouthpiece dimensions and designs? Am I crazy? |
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Aj Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:58 am Post subject: |
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random_abstract wrote: | Just revisiting this question, as I've had the chance during my latest safari to compare several new Schilke mouthpieces with older versions of the same size. Not only are some of the rims different, some of the newer ones are also slightly shorter, by about 1/16". Has anyone else noticed this? Has Schilke recently updated their mouthpiece dimensions and designs? Am I crazy? |
Interesting. Schilke mouthpieces usually have the longest shank out of them all! _________________ Mr Inbetween |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1908 Location: WI
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:08 am Post subject: |
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random_abstract wrote: | Just revisiting this question, as I've had the chance during my latest safari to compare several new Schilke mouthpieces with older versions of the same size. Not only are some of the rims different, some of the newer ones are also slightly shorter, by about 1/16". Has anyone else noticed this? Has Schilke recently updated their mouthpiece dimensions and designs? Am I crazy? |
Are you sure the new ones didn't simply have "Bach-style" shanks? I had trouble with some Schilke mouthpieces a long time ago because they bottomed out on some of my horns. The Schilke rep said I should order them with Bach-style shanks, which I did. Problem solved (because the shanks were slightly shorter).
The only other thing I've heard is that the 24 is now offered with an optional hinged cover. _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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random_abstract Regular Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2013 Posts: 72 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:58 am Post subject: |
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These are all stock, off the shelf. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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At some point Schilke went from using a hand operated turret lathe with, several hand operations involving a file and a scraper, to an automatic production lathe for the mouthpieces. I know because I operated that turret lathe in 1973. The mouthpieces at that time were hand polished in the cup and rim as well. I'm sure that the change in manufacturing practice would change the product to some degree. This may account for the differences that you have observed. I'm willing to bet that the currently produced pieces, using modern lathes, are quite consistent. |
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