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Daffodil
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 9:45 am    Post subject: Professional bugle Reply with quote

Has anyone got any advice on buying a really good bugle (in the UK)? I've been using a very old cheap one and would like to get a nice one. I've seen ones from John Packer, one called Westminster, one from Gear4 Music and a few others, but can't tell what they may be like. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have direct experience with the Kanstul Regulation Bb and G bugles (two of each) and can recommend both if you can find one used somewhere. Kanstul is now defunct.

The Getzen field trumpet (Bb, a G slide may be available) comes in a few versions and was developed for Bugles Across America. I've encountered buglers who are happy with those. Pricey. I haven't played one:
https://www.getzen.com/trumpets/field-trumpets/
Brass Ark (California) has one at a reasonable price, but the key isn't represented correctly, although I'm sure it's an honest mistake. Noah is great.

If you can live with an Eb horn, I can also recommend the Thomann cavalarie trumpet:
https://www.thomannmusic.com/search_dir.html?sw=cavalerie&smcs=null_1651602681328

I have one with a red brass bell. Pretty well made with a nice bag and plays surprisingly well. Two water keys. Takes unaltered trumpet mutes. Cheap as chips.

pBone also makes the plastic pBugle in Bb.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great thanks, I'll look them up!
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Thomann case pictured is better looking than mine, which doesn't have the faux leather trim.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kanstul and Getzen field bugles are long American patterns. They bear no resemblance to a British army regulation pattern bugle. Good for playing Taps but not very pukka for the Last Post. In their favour though they can be tuned easily if you are working with a piper. You probably would have a wider choice of mouthpieces too. Still I wouldn't use one personally. My late father, the R.E.M.E. sergeant major, would likely turn in his grave. American soldiers not being among his favourite folk. Something about being late again.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Professional bugle Reply with quote

Daffodil wrote:
Has anyone got any advice on buying a really good bugle (in the UK)? I've been using a very old cheap one and would like to get a nice one. I've seen ones from John Packer, one called Westminster, one from Gear4 Music and a few others, but can't tell what they may be like. Thanks.

Not sure what options you have in the UK. I have a Getzen Field Trumpet. Well made, good intonation, Bb and G slides. Hard to do better than this one. Other good bugles to consider are the CarolBrass Regulation Bugle, and maybe the Centennial Bugle (https://www.scoutbugle.com).

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Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn’t Tony Scodwell make a bugle?

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brad361 wrote:
Doesn’t Tony Scodwell make a bugle?

Brad

Yes Brad. I remember a thread, where he talked about this. They would be worth considering, too.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=158087

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Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uberopa wrote:
The Kanstul and Getzen field bugles are long American patterns. They bear no resemblance to a British army regulation pattern bugle. Good for playing Taps but not very pukka for the Last Post. In their favour though they can be tuned easily if you are working with a piper. You probably would have a wider choice of mouthpieces too. Still I wouldn't use one personally. My late father, the R.E.M.E. sergeant major, would likely turn in his grave. American soldiers not being among his favourite folk. Something about being late again.


Good points!

Klaus in 'Trumpets and Other High Brass' (Vol. 1, National Music Museum, South Dakota, U.S.) discusses whether U.S. horns of this pattern are more properly called 'trumpets' rather than 'bugles' due to the relative proportions of conical vs. cylindrical tubing. I happen to agree. I didn't consider that the OP was interested in learning more about proper British bugles. Sorry about that!
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besson make a decent Bb bugle, which can often be found second hand. The Packer bugle is pretty decent too. If money isn’t an issue I think Smith Watkins still make bugles, and they are excellent. Used by a lot of UK military bands. Although I can’t see them on their website. Might be worth ringing them.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarolBrass makes a decent instrument and here is their bugle page.

https://www.carolbrass.com/products.aspx?getId=423239C239BE6D15&getId1=B3A02A31D968E1A4
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Daffodil
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2022 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks everyone, lots to look into.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=134778&s=Scodwell-USA-Bb-G-Bugle

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Tony Scodwell
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 7:35 am    Post subject: Scodwell USA Bules Reply with quote

Along with my Bb/G bugle introduced last year with a slide to G included, I just introduced my piston Bb/G Bugle. Photos on the TH Marketplace.

Tony Scodwell
www.scodwellusa.com
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Scodwell USA Bules Reply with quote

Tony Scodwell wrote:
Along with my Bb/G bugle introduced last year with a slide to G included, I just introduced my piston Bb/G Bugle. Photos on the TH Marketplace.

Tony Scodwell
www.scodwellusa.com


The piston bugle is neat. Where are these horns manufactured? Who manufactures them?

Thanks.
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