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Kennyg2019
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 7:07 am    Post subject: Schilke vs Yamaha Reply with quote

Hi guys,

In terms of ease of play and brightness, which do you prefer, Schilke or Yamaha.

I was looking specifically at the 8310ZSII/8335LASII vs the B series 4,5,6,7 and the X3.

Thanks!

Ken


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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is "easier" for one player is "harder" for another. Depends what characteristics make it easier for you.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldSchoolEuph wrote:
What is "easier" for one player is "harder" for another. Depends what characteristics make it easier for you.


This. ☝️

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your post of 8310OZSII needs one less zero. I searched it as is and got a Russian sex toy.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooops! Sorry about that!

Thanks, guys. And thanks to all of you who have PM'd me with your experiences with these trumpets! 👍🏻
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on what you mean by "ease of play" - if you mean an open blow, the Yam LA is great, as is the B5. If you mean "efficient" then go the Shew horn.

In my limited experience of the horns you mention, the Yamaha LA would be the one I'd pick - it's a really really good trumpet, which is not to downplay the others on your list.

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

p76 wrote:
Depends on what you mean by "ease of play" - if you mean an open blow, the Yam LA is great, as is the B5. If you mean "efficient" then go the Shew horn.

In my limited experience of the horns you mention, the Yamaha LA would be the one I'd pick - it's a really really good trumpet, which is not to downplay the others on your list.

Cheers,
Roger

Hi Roger,

I guess by ease of play I mean an open blow...but not so open that I don't have enough air to play it. Plus, I also mean good slotting, intonation, etc...so that I don't feel like I'm constantly struggling to "hit the bullseye". I'm a comeback player so I need all the help I can get!

BTW, I just ordered the LA and the OZ. Whichever horn I like better, I will order the closest Schilke...perhaps the X3 or the B5/B6...and compare them.

Thanks for your help!

Ken
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ken,

No worries - by all means if you can buy them all!! (maybe you could come down under and explain to my wife why that is always the best option )

I'd be very interested to hear your verdict on the horns once you've had some time with them.

I really wanted to like the Shew horn, but I just found it stuffy. I owned a YTR732 some time ago, which was a precursor to the Shew line - M bore. It was the most beautiful sounding trumpet I've ever had, but again, I just found it backing up on me all the time - which says more about my playing skill than the horn.

The LAs I've tried have all been really good horns - similar in blow to my YTR634 and Chicago 1001, but with more zip to the sound.

The B5 is a good horn, but I didn't really get a lot of time on the one I tried - again, be interested to know how it compares to the LA.

Have fun with it all!

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldSchoolEuph wrote:
What is "easier" for one player is "harder" for another. Depends what characteristics make it easier for you.


Totally agree with this statement, but here is my experience with the two brands.
I own a Yamaha YTR-6335S (my backup horn) and previously played a YTR-4335S. My Schilke is an X3L with the Sandoval modifications.
The X3L was "my" horn the first time I picked it up -- plays easily and evenly in all registers, will play to the extent I can play. It is fairly open and free blowing. It is not particularly gap sensitive and I play it on a Bach 1.5C with a 26 throat.
I had to work a lot harder to get the YTR-6335S to play like I like it (more like the Schilke, I guess). I worked on the gap with Jim New's gap modulator and discovered how gap sensitive it is. Had it pretty good, but then I got an Austic Custom brass mouthpiece (with an acrylic top for cold weather) and found it a little better, playing more to my liking. Got their 1.25C to go with the symphonic backbore and now the horn plays really nicely. I do not mind switching. Though the 6335 is supposed to be a more free playing Yamaha, I found it a little tight at first.
I modified both horns by replacing the nylon valve guides with metal valve guides.
I still prefer the Bach mouthpiece on the Schilke and the ACB mouthpiece on the Yamaha, but with those combinations, switching horns is easy. (I chose the 1.25 C for the ACB mouthpiece because the softer rim makes it feel smaller. This way they feel about the same size.
Purely an individual experience.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to answer that question across an entire line of trumpets. I'd say that the most popular Schilke models generally lean in the direction of brighter and more open-blowing than the most popular Yamaha models.

But compare a Schilke B4 and an X4, or the Yamaha Shew and Chicago models, and you'll see big differences within those respective lines.

And compare a Schilke B2 with a Yamaha 8335 and you might not find a big difference.

The specific models themselves are what matter most. Try as many as you can to find what works for you.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, I definitely preferred the Yamaha EM model and Schilke B5...both are extremely mouthpiece
backbore sensitive though, as most horns are I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Follow up question:

Which bell produces a brighter sound, Yellow Brass or Beryllium?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

p76 wrote:
Hi Ken,

No worries - by all means if you can buy them all!! (maybe you could come down under and explain to my wife why that is always the best option )

I'd be very interested to hear your verdict on the horns once you've had some time with them....

Have fun with it all!

Cheers,
Roger

Thanks, Roger. I will let you know what I think of them all!
Currently, I only own one trumpet, so I have a long way to go to catch up with you!
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which bell produces a brighter sound, Yellow Brass or Beryllium?


In my limited experience, the SCHILKE "beryllium" bells are brighter than yellow brass bells. That may be at least as much related to thickness -- Schilke "beryllium" bells are quite thin -- as to the material.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Dayton!

Would you happen to know if there is any difference in responsiveness?
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there was a difference in responsiveness it wasn't significant -- at least not significant enough for me to remember (in contrast with the brightness, which was noteworthy, especially when played louder and higher).
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok...Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldSchoolEuph wrote:
What is "easier" for one player is "harder" for another. Depends what characteristics make it easier for you.


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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found a great deal on a demo B3! I hear it's similar to the X3 with a smaller bell and not quite as open. I wanted a Beryllium bell but I think Yellow Brass will be good enough...especially since that's all I've ever played!
The Bergeron arrives tomorrow so this should be interesting!
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 9:04 am    Post subject: Yamaha vs Schilke Reply with quote

Kenny,
Yes, the only difference in the X3 and B3 are the bells. I think that I have read that the throats of the bells are the same, just that the taper from tail to throat is obviously different. I have also been told that the B3/X3 maybe the lightest of the series, as the tubing wall thickness is the thinnest. Expect the B3 to have less core/middle-low overtones, even with the yellow brass bell. For future reference, a Beryllium #3 bell maybe even brighter in timbre, or a special made copper #3 bell could add back in some of the middle overtones/core sound. You might have to have that conversation with Fred Cantu form the FB Schilke Enthusiast forum.
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