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settrumpet New Member
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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I play sharp with my lips in the BE position, thus I have to pull the tuning slide further out than normal to be in tune, say about a little more than an inch. Anyone else experience this? Also, it seems like less spit comes out of the water keys. Just my general observations.
Steve
PS Thanks to everyone who contributed to my mouthpiece buzzing question. |
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_Don Herman 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 3344 Location: Monument, CO, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:01 am Post subject: |
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I'd guess that, in trying to relax into it, you're playing flatter. As you evolve, you'll discover that you gain control and bring things back into line (pitch), or that you were out of line to begin with and now have great sound with your new tuning slide position. An inch or so isn't so terribly far out, after all. My advice, FWIWFM, is to forget about it and keep doing the exercises without worrying about where your tuning slide is. - Don _________________ Don Herman/Monument, CO
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_dcstep Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 6324 Location: Denver
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Don, he said he's playing sharper, not flatter.
Still, I think this is probably a transitional thing. Keep working at both the roll-out and roll-in and you'll continue to move toward a more focused, in tune sound.
I started out with a lot of double-buzzes when I first came to BE. Those seem to just go away after a couple of weeks.
Dave _________________ Schilke '60 B1 -- 229 Bach-C/19-350 Blackburn -- Lawler TL Cornet -- Conn V1 Flugel -- Stomvi Master Bb/A/G picc -- GR mpcs
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_Don Herman 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 3344 Location: Monument, CO, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Oops -- duh! Good catch! Rewind... Probably tensing up trying to squeak notes out and playing high on pitch. Either way, answer's the same -- keep at it and it'll probably go away! What Dave said! _________________ Don Herman/Monument, CO
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oj Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 1699 Location: Norway
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Steve
You are not alone (playing above pitch). Jim Thompson said that most people he heard, even advanced players played above pitch. At a seminar in Oslo, he worked with an advanced player. He had him bend notes - a G in staff down to F# and back again. While doing this note-bending, Jim asked the student to listen to the sound. As he returned from the F# back to G, when was the sound in the centre? The student felt it was in center a bit below where he first started the G.
Read more about it here:
http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/report/thompson/
Ole
P.S. - When you find the centre of the pitch I'm pretty sure your tuning-slide will come in. You will also then play more effective. Good luck! |
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mcamilleri Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Posts: 2076 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with OJ regarding playing above the pitch center. Mr Monette also agrees, so we am in good company (though I am way out of my league!).
The best, or should I say worst example, of this I have encountered was I guy who played in a big band with me a few years ago. He had a tendency to play sharp - even after tuning. One night I really pushed him hard on this, and spent some time tuning up with him, with tuner and a horn each. Play tuning note, too sharp, pull out slide. Play tuning note, still too sharp, pull slide out more. Play tuning note, still too sharp, pull out some more. This went on until his slide was nearly 2 inches out, and he was STILL PLAYING SHARP! I never commented on his tuning again...
Michael
PS: I never found out if he had a C trumpet - maybe he just lipped up his Bb |
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