Monette B4S3 vs. Bach 3C

[ALETRUMPET]

Sorry I have an argument with a friend. I have sold my Monette B4S3 and can no longer verify. Is the B4S3 deeper or less deep than a modern Bach3C? And does the shape of the bowl have more or less volume than the Bach 3C? The sound is certainly darker, I remember this well. It's a bet between friends !!

[Dayton]

I'm going from memory here, but I recall the 3C being shallower and having less volume than the B4S3.

[ALETRUMPET]

Does anyone else own the Monette B4S3 for comparison?

[atom_anderson]

http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
The above site can be used to compare the B4S (Not the B4S3) and the 3C. The B4S is almost identical to the 3C, but has a very slightly deeper cup.

[ALETRUMPET]

The B4S3 is different from the B4S

[kevin_soda]

B4S3 definitely has a deeper cup and more cup volume than a modern Bach 3C. The Monette is also wider but will feel narrower because of the contour of the rim. Re: darker vs brighter. There are too many other variables to consider, most importantly the sound concept the player is going for and their general approach to playing.
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[Jaw04]

[ALETRUMPET]

[kevin_soda]

[ALETRUMPET]

From the Monette site the B4S3 is deeper than the B4S S2. But the B4S is not specified. The B4S3 is deeper than the B6S1 and the same as the B2S3.
https://www.monette.net/comparison-chart

[ALETRUMPET]

Is any owner of the B4S3 able to measure the depth of the cup and compare it with the Bach 3C?
It's a bet for 2 beers of 1 liter !!!

[Jon Arnold]

I just sold my Unity B4S. It is bigger than a modern Bach 3c. The B4S is more like a Bach 1 1/2C or Mt. Vernon 3C. A B6 would be closer.

[chef8489]

B6s1 is probably a modern 3c
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[napoorsocapo]

The B6S1 seems to be very bright even more than the modern Bach 3C.
Is it possible to darken the sound with this mouthpiece?

[ALETRUMPET]

Giveton Gelin seems to do it very well (plays with a B6S1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2hFhrbgEk&t=29s

[Mauri]

I read somewhere (perhaps on this forum) that the B6S1 did not collect much luck, many then sold it. How much truth is there in this?

[jengstrom]

I have owned and played the 3C and B4S3.

1. The B4S3 cup feels bigger to my tongue (for what that’s worth).
2. The B4S3 rim feels slightly bigger than the 3C (as does the Kanstul M-B4 copy of the original Monette B4).
3. I’m currently playing Monette size 6 stuff. That rim feels sightly smaller than the 3C. Back when Monette listed dimensions on their site, the size 6 stuff was listed as having a .650” diameter. The 3c is .660”. If I remember right, the B4S3 has a .663” or .664”diameter. The Monette dimensions were also copied to the Kanstul site. Maybe they are still there.
4. The B4S is a completely different mouthpiece. I think it was designed for Lou Soloff. The “S” in that one is for Soloff. The “S3” in the B4S3 is for the cup shape (S=Slap cup, 3=third version of it).

If I’m wrong on any of this, by all means correct me, but I’m pretty sure I got it right.

John
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[bjcord]

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[Mauri]

Regarding Monette, I still have doubts.
When I play high I want to sound like I'm playing high or when I play loud I want to sound like loud but with Monette equipment it sounds same.