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Pagnardc
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:37 am    Post subject: Help Identifying This Rotary Trumpet Reply with quote

Can Anyone help me identify this trumpet? Its a Rotary trumpet in C. Stamped with Meister Hermann Schmidt, and then something under it that starts with an "M" I think. Then says made in GDR.
here is a link to a picture of it. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

https://share.icloud.com/photos/00eIS132LphrfNGdeS7nvOuzw
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was made by Hermann Schmidt.

https://www.hsm-brass.de/haupt.html
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why is the logo for that company HSM, and that is not the logo or initials stamped on the bell? Did you look at the picture? Do you have any idea what it says under Meister Hermann Schmidt? (above where it says made in GDR)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the GDR hasn't existed since 1990.

I'm speculating here, but it would seem that your instrument was made prior to 1990 in East Germany.

One might guess that a maker might change their logo and stamp after the reunification of Germany and the fall of Communism.

Like I said, I don't have any special knowledge of this maker, but it's possible. You could contact the company by email, with the info on your horn and see what they say?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the info, that does make sense. I have reached out to them via email. We will see what they say.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the HSM-website they say that they could look back on 40 years in the business in 2018 and they are based in Markneukirchen. Your GDR-made horn might be something from their first years.

I read the text under the name as Migma, which can be seen on Markneukirchen-made GDR-trumpets now and then. Under communist rule the makers there worked collectively and their export of instruments were organized from above, so that model name probably says nothing about the maker and the model. I imagine that the orders could be like this: "This year you have to make XXX Migma trumpets and XXX Sinfonia trumpets, you, you and you make the Migmas..." and then they all made them in their own shops to their own specs using their own mandrels, sometimes borrowing things from the neighbour.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krax wrote:
On the HSM-website they say that they could look back on 40 years in the business in 2018 and they are based in Markneukirchen. Your GDR-made horn might be something from their first years.

I read the text under the name as Migma, which can be seen on Markneukirchen-made GDR-trumpets now and then. Under communist rule the makers there worked collectively and their export of instruments were organized from above, so that model name probably says nothing about the maker and the model. I imagine that the orders could be like this: "This year you have to make XXX Migma trumpets and XXX Sinfonia trumpets, you, you and you make the Migmas..." and then they all made them in their own shops to their own specs using their own mandrels, sometimes borrowing things from the neighbour.


ok-i don't want to correct someone,and may be wrong sometimes....



1. Migma was the "Musikinstrumenten-Handwerker-Genossenschaft Markneukirchen" (kind of a socialist-"union" they could not get parts and sheets+tubing without being in there) Sinfonia was a bit different: some independent makers where in the Sinfonia (Albert Wolfram and others )

to be a independent Instrument Maker was a pain in the ****


some Makers did build horns only for Export with Migma/Sinfonia
(Hermann Heinels trumpets with "migma stamp" where for export-without stayed in the DDR/GDR-mostly for professional/conservatory usage...and those play VERY GOOD )

2. Most makers did not made the valve sections-in Markneukirchen they had specialist makers for everything-bell makers,mouthpiece makers-Valve makers etc. -to get things you don't make yourself-you just have to walk across the road to your neighbor....

3. there where not much really independent makers (Arno Windisch-the Heckel successor-he maybe did build some of the best rotary trumpets ever on the planet) and he once told me how difficult it was in the DDR to get parts and sheet and tubes-he had sometimes to make his own screws...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! That was a much appreciated clarification!
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