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benjaminpaille
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:04 am    Post subject: New Bachs Reply with quote

Hello everyone! Does anyone have any inside scoop on when the new Bach Bb horns will be available for the general public? I’m speaking specifically about the prototypes they have been working on with Rashawn Ross and Sean Jones. Thanks so much!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm intrigued to know as well. But the price point will probably be north of 4K.
Do Bach dealers have payment plans?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean... new Yamaha Artist series trumpets have run well over 4k for almost 20 years now (the gen I chicago was released in 2004). Nowadays a new one is about $4,900. In my humble opinion, Bach is probably well overdue for a price increase for top line models.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon Kaplan wrote:
I mean... new Yamaha Artist series trumpets have run well over 4k for almost 20 years now (the gen I chicago was released in 2004). Nowadays a new one is about $4,900. In my humble opinion, Bach is probably well overdue for a price increase for top line models.


Let's hope not, especially since they aren't imported from Japan.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daniel Barenboim wrote:
Jon Kaplan wrote:
I mean... new Yamaha Artist series trumpets have run well over 4k for almost 20 years now (the gen I chicago was released in 2004). Nowadays a new one is about $4,900. In my humble opinion, Bach is probably well overdue for a price increase for top line models.


Let's hope not, especially since they aren't imported from Japan.

DB

🤔 Paying a living wage in the US to manufacture the instruments probably offsets any import related expenses.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear they keep pushing back the timeline and still do not have a release date. As for prices, check out the new price for a 190 Model, $4199 MAP price.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a new 190C. I think it was about $4400 from my local dealer.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've talked to the folks at Bach recently. The newly updated Bb & C instruments I've tried are going to blow everyone away. They've been working diligently on these instruments for a couple of years now and I've been told they are only a matter of a couple of months away from being put into production. They are down to working out small details like trim, finger rings, triggers, etc.

I can't wait.

I'm not sure of the price point, but it will be competitive with other professional instruments (non-boutique).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the new horns will certainly be worth whatever the asking price is, I just wonder how long the market can sustain inflation.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jay2015trumpet wrote:
I'm sure the new horns will certainly be worth whatever the asking price is, I just wonder how long the market can sustain inflation.


I have no doubt that you will be able to buy both a new Bach Bb plus a new Bach C trumpet for less total cost than a new Monette Bb.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha! Yes, that's certainly true.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PH wrote:
The newly updated Bb & C instruments I've tried are going to blow everyone away.



Ah, that is about time. I tried the ML 190/43 from a fellow trumpet player and I was not very impressed.
Beautiful build instrument but my Getzen Eterna 900 LB is a far better axe: Better valves, better projection and -to me- better sound
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manuel de los Campos wrote:
PH wrote:
The newly updated Bb & C instruments I've tried are going to blow everyone away.



Ah, that is about time. I tried the ML 190/43 from a fellow trumpet player and I was not very impressed.
Beautiful build instrument but my Getzen Eterna 900 LB is a far better axe: Better valves, better projection and -to me- better sound


Unless your friend was Sean Jones, Melvin Jones, Rashawn Ross, Mike Sachs, or a small number of others we are talking about a quite different instrument.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PH wrote:

Unless your friend was Sean Jones, Melvin Jones, Rashawn Ross, Mike Sachs, or a small number of others we are talking about a quite different instrument.


That's quite a lineup of artists, to say the least. Does anyone know the general specs/features of this new Bach? This thread has piqued my interest...
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WFUnix wrote:
PH wrote:

Unless your friend was Sean Jones, Melvin Jones, Rashawn Ross, Mike Sachs, or a small number of others we are talking about a quite different instrument.


That's quite a lineup of artists, to say the least. Does anyone know the general specs/features of this new Bach? This thread has piqued my interest...


From what I've seen and been told they are discontinuing many of the "new models" that were introduced in the last decade (Artisan, Commercial, Mariachi...) that weren't particularly successful. They are basically developing "new" older Bachs going back to many of the original designs of Vincent Bach but using modern digital manufacturing technology to give greater consistency, etc. It's basically a move back to what made Bach the industry standard for so many decades.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll believe when I see it...

Just got a Gen 3 Yamaha NY and I don't see how Bach can compete with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a Thein Bb and am very happy with it. I wonder how their C trumpets play. It wasn't even as expensive as you think it would be.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a brand new 190-37 and it was marvelous. If they could make a lightweight one of those, they just made a sale.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
I had a brand new 190-37 and it was marvelous. If they could make a lightweight one of those, they just made a sale.


Somewhere on TH there was a comment from someone in the know outlining some of the changes that happened over time in Elkhart from "classic Bachs." One of the was the fact that the metal in the old, prime era Bachs was thinner than the standard weight horns being made in the last 40ish years. The lightweight horns (star bell) were actually the weight of the original design that Mr. Bach created. So, the "new" horns will all be lighter in weight.

BTW, I currently play a lightweight 37 that I picked out at the factory about a decade ago. Laurie Frink also played a 37*.

(The informative comment I found was from OldSchoolEuph in the GOOD serial numbers thread. It is at the top of page 4 in that thread.)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Pat. I'll be looking for it.

I had a Bach lighter-weight Commercial I traded a 190-37 for. But I learned that Bach's "lightweight" terminology meant "light" for a Bach, not compared to trumpets as a whole. I was looking for something more like a Benge and ideally like a Shew, but with the 190-37 sound. The Bach was neither.

I realise my case is not the normal and I just have to live with it and not have unrealistic expectations. But one can hope.
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