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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:00 pm    Post subject: The Inner Game Reply with quote

In chapter 4 Gallwey describes why playing tennis is simple but not easy. If someone thinks about which muscles they need to use they will overcompensate. This is why it is important to let yourself hit the ball instead of trying to hit the ball. Gallwey describes why it is important to not overthink when you are learning. Self 2 learns by watching first, then doing. If you start to judge yourself it will keep you from letting yourself learn.
As a trumpet player it is important to always think of the sound in your mind even if the sound you are producing does not match. With more repetitions the issues in your playing will eventually fix themselves.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A humorous and similar analogy from the 1970s:

Skier #1 gets to the top of the mountain on a trail harder than he has ever skied before and tries to analyze his every turn and shift of weight.

Skier #2 gets to the top of the mountain on a trail harder than he has ever skied before and realizes he has left his wallet with $200 and a gram of coke in it on the cafeteria table.

Ski like Skier #2. Play trumpet similarly.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What?" "Lead with the mind and the body will follow"?
Bodhidharma 500/600 C.E.

What a concept.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: The Inner Game Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
In chapter 4 Gallwey describes why playing tennis is simple but not easy. If someone thinks about which muscles they need to use they will overcompensate. This is why it is important to let yourself hit the ball instead of trying to hit the ball. Gallwey describes why it is important to not overthink when you are learning. Self 2 learns by watching first, then doing. If you start to judge yourself it will keep you from letting yourself learn.
As a trumpet player it is important to always think of the sound in your mind even if the sound you are producing does not match. With more repetitions the issues in your playing will eventually fix themselves.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam?

Try Zen in the Art of Archery, the basis, IMO, of several regurgitated "mastery" books.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: The Inner Game Reply with quote

Heis wrote:

Just as in tennis, where players are encouraged to let their bodies do

what they have learned

without the interference of an overly analytical mind, trumpet players can benefit from focusing on the sound they intend to produce rather than the mechanical aspects of their technique.

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The 'learning' part is critical - as well as awareness of whether it is achieving the desired results.
If the desired results are not obtained, then it is beneficial to review what has been learned. Was the 'right stuff' taught, was it learned, it is being done correctly, etc.

Physical actions are a process of 'doing' - intentions are necessary to activate the doing.

A good teacher ought to be able to guide both the learning and the doing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: The Inner Game Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
In chapter 4


I'm curious what you think about Chapter 7 particularly the section called "Feeling."
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
Adam?

Try Zen in the Art of Archery, the basis, IMO, of several regurgitated "mastery" books.


One of Mr. Adam's required readings!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adams, Caruso and Balanced Embouchure share this philosophy of letting the body learn on its own.
Each primarily uses a different guide: Sound, coordination and movement.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumpjerele wrote:
Adams, Caruso and Balanced Embouchure share this philosophy of letting the body learn on its own.
Each primarily uses a different guide: Sound, coordination and movement.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: The Inner Game Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
In chapter 4 Gallwey describes why playing tennis is simple but not easy. If someone thinks about which muscles they need to use they will overcompensate. This is why it is important to let yourself hit the ball instead of trying to hit the ball. Gallwey describes why it is important to not overthink when you are learning. Self 2 learns by watching first, then doing. If you start to judge yourself it will keep you from letting yourself learn.
As a trumpet player it is important to always think of the sound in your mind even if the sound you are producing does not match. With more repetitions the issues in your playing will eventually fix themselves.


I love this subject, and I thought I would further add to this discussion on Timothy Gallway's "The Inner Game of Tennis". I put together a two-part blog post not too long ago on Gallwey's Inner Game and writings from Herbert L. Clarke. You can check it out here:

https://bajocmusic.com/herbert-l-clarke-timothy-gallway-the-inner-game-of-cornet-playing/

I hope this helps!


Best regards,

Jacob
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: The Inner Game Reply with quote

Bájoc Music wrote:
I put together a two-part blog post not too long ago on Gallwey's Inner Game and writings from Herbert L. Clarke. You can check it out here:

https://bajocmusic.com/herbert-l-clarke-timothy-gallway-the-inner-game-of-cornet-playing/
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part 2 is here -
https://bajocmusic.com/herbert-l-clarke-timothy-gallway-the-inner-game-of-cornet-playing-part-ii/
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