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trumpetman7984 Regular Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2017 Posts: 54 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:14 am Post subject: Finally time for a new horn |
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After about 10 years on the same horn, I've realized it is time for the new one. It used to work and got me through the majority of my musical career, but now it is time to move on. I am looking for something more free blowing and lighter weight. I have always had my Yamaha YTR-8335, but I am also open to changing brands. I am currently looking at Schilke, but am lost where to start with them given their number of models. What other makes would be recommended to go lighter weight? I am looking for a more commercial/jazz horn as I use primarily my C for other gigs. _________________ Schilke B1 Bb
Yamaha 8445 C |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7003 Location: AZ
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Shires CLA. They are made in M, ML, L and XL bore sizes. I've sampled the L and XL bore (.462" and .464") versions and liked them both. The .462" bore was my favorite of the two, but individual horns differ, of course.
The XL bore version I played was noticeably darker and looser. I felt it was more of a soloist's instrument. The L bore felt like a lead player's horn. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2013 Posts: 1990 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:50 am Post subject: |
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A good starting point for Schilke might be one of their horns with the #2 bell (B5, i32, S32). You'll probably find the B5 to be more open with looser slots, and the i32/S32 to be closer to your 8335, but all are lighter and brighter, with more flexible slots than your 8335.
I find the #2 bell to be slightly broader than the 8335 bell. The #3 bell (B2, i33) is slightly more focused, and the #1 bell (B1) to be considerably broader and brighter.
Good luck! |
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Aaronis Regular Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 87 Location: Kansas
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:25 am Post subject: |
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For Schilke, you might look into the Schilke X4. I don't have any personal experience with them, just done some research on them in the past. Free blowing horn and I believe light weight also if I recall correctly.
If you want a used horn that you can still find, I can tell you that the Claude Gordon Benge (L.A. models) are very free blowing and very light weight. One of the lightest horns you will find. I do have personal experience with these horns so I can vouch for them. Probably one of the best commercial, lead horns ever produced IMO.
Good luck in your search. _________________ 2018 Schilke B6
1980's CG Selmer
1976 CG L.A. Benge
1955 Mt. Vernon Bach
1947 Olds Super
Holton Revelation Model 48
1964 Holton Galaxy Cornet |
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ericmpena Veteran Member
Joined: 17 Nov 2021 Posts: 254 Location: Kyle, TX
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:27 am Post subject: |
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The Edwards X-13 is lightweight and can be played like a solo horn or a lead horn.
It’s worth looking into if your budget is around $4,000. |
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onlyson Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 224 Location: Bartlett, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:28 am Post subject: |
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The new Yamaha 8335LA Wayne Bergeron model is among the best horns I've ever played and would make a fine, lightweight commercial horn. _________________ Del Quadro Grizzly
Yamaha 9335CH
1951 Martin Committee Deluxe #3 Bore
ACB Coppernicus
Couesnon Flugel
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2013 Posts: 1990 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | The new Yamaha 8335LA Wayne Bergeron model is among the best horns I've ever played and would make a fine, lightweight commercial horn. |
Completely agree. Definitely one to consider |
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2015 Posts: 1458 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Why not the 6335 RC. Half the price but an extremely playable horn. Really helps you play. _________________ Cornets:
Getzen Custom Series Schilke 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974) |
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 649 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Finally time for a new horn |
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trumpetman7984 wrote: | I am looking for something more free blowing and lighter weigh... ...a more commercial/jazz horn as I use primarily my C for other gigs. |
Getzen Eterna. What else? _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2001 Posts: 3774 Location: AL
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Seymor B Fudd wrote: | Why not the 6335 RC. Half the price but an extremely playable horn. Really helps you play. |
Austin Custom Brass has one, otherwise they are pretty hard to find in the US. _________________ --Matt--
No representation is made that the quality of this post is greater than the quality of that of any other poster. Oh, and get a teacher! |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jun 2017 Posts: 1541 Location: Virginia USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: |
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If you are looking at Schilke (great choice by the way) and want free blowing, look at the X3, X3L, X4 and X4L. My X3L is quite free blowing and is a very versatile horn. Not for everyone, but definitely the horn by which I measure all others now. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Picc: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Standard
Bass Trumpet: BAC Custom
Natural Tr: Custom Haas replica by Nikolai Mänttäri Morales |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8964 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:28 am Post subject: |
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You talking to da lightweight man, mon.
Schilke B 5
Edwards X-13
Yamaha Wayne Bergeron
Getzen Eterna Classic
Benge CG
I'll throw in Adams A-9, which is a good Committee clone but better slotting and a more versatile horn. But unless you want tu use your horn as a primarily bebop combo horn-no. Community concert band, yes. Orchestra and ensemble with other “classical” horns, no.
I would advise against the Yamaha Bobby Shew, lightweight but smaller feeling and I can't get comfortable with the tone. YMMV.
And I would definitely advise trying them all out. They blow and sound differently. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
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F.E. Olds Nut Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Mar 2010 Posts: 343 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Check out a Schilke B5. It is lighter than your 8335, blows a little more open, but isn't too far off from a standard horn. I feel like the B5 is a great straight down the middle lightweight trumpet which can do everything. _________________ Del Quadro "The Mother" |
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falado Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 933 Location: Eastern NC
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Hi, I recently got a Thane Performance 72 bell and I’m loving it. I had been using an older Stomvi, Reeves era, VR and had a VR II bell out on it and it’s a great commercial horn. But, I love the sound I get from the Thane. Also, I am selling a blueprinted Benge 6X, great free blowing lead and commercial horn and can easily do legit with the right mouthpiece. It’s in the market place.
Dave _________________ FA LA DO (Ab: V/ii) MUCS, USN (Ret.)
Stomvi VR (Reeves) with VR II Bell
Bach 239 25A C, Blueprinted
Bach 37, Early Elkhart, Blueprinted
Kanstul Flugel
Getzen 4 valve Pic.
Yamaha D/Eb
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8964 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:14 am Post subject: |
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trumpetman7984, I shouldhave said this earlier. Not to be disingenuous to anyone, but I found out the term "Lightweight" is in the eye of the beholder. It's better for you to give examples of horns that fit into the category which you have in mind.
A Benge, is called Lightweight but so is a Bach Commercial Lightweight but lightweight is in relation to a Bach Strad. Yes, it's lightweight-er but it's not Lightweight compared to the Yamaha Shew. Better to give a specific example of what range you're talking about. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Another vote for the B5...it was between that and the B1 when I got mine. A bit too light/bright for my needs. Have fun! |
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dewey Regular Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 51 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Adams A5 is a great horn. Also, I am really interested in the BAC new3 benge (KC) _________________ Adams A4; Schilke B5Lb; Van Cleave; Chicago Benge 33XX; LA Benge 5x & 2x; Mt Vernon 37; Mt Vernon Mercedes; Bach 72*/25-0; King Super 20; Conn 28a; Conn 22b; Conn 80a; ConnConqueror; Olds L12 Flugel; Adams F2 Flugel; Couesnon Flugel |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Getzen eterna matched with Reeves S cup/69 bbore .
Lethal combination for commercial gigs.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8964 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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dewey wrote: | Adams A5 is a great horn. Also, I am really interested in the BAC new3 benge (KC) |
Don't hold your breath. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Getzen Capri Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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dewey wrote: | Adams A5 is a great horn. Also, I am really interested in the BAC new3 benge (KC) |
Then talk to Trent at ACB and see if he has a waiting list. They are only coming off the line super slow, and they seem to be going through Trent.
Be careful though: looking at your signature block, you are used to securely centering horns. The Schilke B5 so heavily endorsed here and to a lesser extent, the new Benge, will not be as willing to find the pitch center for you.
They are fantastic horns, but different from what you have gravitated to, so try before you buy when you can (sorry, doesn't seem to be an option with BAC right now). _________________ Ron Berndt
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