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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:14 am    Post subject: Finally time for a new horn Reply with quote

After about 10 years on the same horn, I've realized it is time for the new one. It used to work and got me through the majority of my musical career, but now it is time to move on. I am looking for something more free blowing and lighter weight. I have always had my Yamaha YTR-8335, but I am also open to changing brands. I am currently looking at Schilke, but am lost where to start with them given their number of models. What other makes would be recommended to go lighter weight? I am looking for a more commercial/jazz horn as I use primarily my C for other gigs.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shires CLA. They are made in M, ML, L and XL bore sizes. I've sampled the L and XL bore (.462" and .464") versions and liked them both. The .462" bore was my favorite of the two, but individual horns differ, of course.

The XL bore version I played was noticeably darker and looser. I felt it was more of a soloist's instrument. The L bore felt like a lead player's horn.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good starting point for Schilke might be one of their horns with the #2 bell (B5, i32, S32). You'll probably find the B5 to be more open with looser slots, and the i32/S32 to be closer to your 8335, but all are lighter and brighter, with more flexible slots than your 8335.

I find the #2 bell to be slightly broader than the 8335 bell. The #3 bell (B2, i33) is slightly more focused, and the #1 bell (B1) to be considerably broader and brighter.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Schilke, you might look into the Schilke X4. I don't have any personal experience with them, just done some research on them in the past. Free blowing horn and I believe light weight also if I recall correctly.

If you want a used horn that you can still find, I can tell you that the Claude Gordon Benge (L.A. models) are very free blowing and very light weight. One of the lightest horns you will find. I do have personal experience with these horns so I can vouch for them. Probably one of the best commercial, lead horns ever produced IMO.

Good luck in your search.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Edwards X-13 is lightweight and can be played like a solo horn or a lead horn.
It’s worth looking into if your budget is around $4,000.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new Yamaha 8335LA Wayne Bergeron model is among the best horns I've ever played and would make a fine, lightweight commercial horn.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The new Yamaha 8335LA Wayne Bergeron model is among the best horns I've ever played and would make a fine, lightweight commercial horn.


Completely agree. Definitely one to consider
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not the 6335 RC. Half the price but an extremely playable horn. Really helps you play.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Finally time for a new horn Reply with quote

trumpetman7984 wrote:
I am looking for something more free blowing and lighter weigh... ...a more commercial/jazz horn as I use primarily my C for other gigs.


Getzen Eterna. What else?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seymor B Fudd wrote:
Why not the 6335 RC. Half the price but an extremely playable horn. Really helps you play.


Austin Custom Brass has one, otherwise they are pretty hard to find in the US.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are looking at Schilke (great choice by the way) and want free blowing, look at the X3, X3L, X4 and X4L. My X3L is quite free blowing and is a very versatile horn. Not for everyone, but definitely the horn by which I measure all others now.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You talking to da lightweight man, mon.

Schilke B 5
Edwards X-13
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Benge CG

I'll throw in Adams A-9, which is a good Committee clone but better slotting and a more versatile horn. But unless you want tu use your horn as a primarily bebop combo horn-no. Community concert band, yes. Orchestra and ensemble with other “classical” horns, no.

I would advise against the Yamaha Bobby Shew, lightweight but smaller feeling and I can't get comfortable with the tone. YMMV.

And I would definitely advise trying them all out. They blow and sound differently.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out a Schilke B5. It is lighter than your 8335, blows a little more open, but isn't too far off from a standard horn. I feel like the B5 is a great straight down the middle lightweight trumpet which can do everything.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, I recently got a Thane Performance 72 bell and I’m loving it. I had been using an older Stomvi, Reeves era, VR and had a VR II bell out on it and it’s a great commercial horn. But, I love the sound I get from the Thane. Also, I am selling a blueprinted Benge 6X, great free blowing lead and commercial horn and can easily do legit with the right mouthpiece. It’s in the market place.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trumpetman7984, I shouldhave said this earlier. Not to be disingenuous to anyone, but I found out the term "Lightweight" is in the eye of the beholder. It's better for you to give examples of horns that fit into the category which you have in mind.

A Benge, is called Lightweight but so is a Bach Commercial Lightweight but lightweight is in relation to a Bach Strad. Yes, it's lightweight-er but it's not Lightweight compared to the Yamaha Shew. Better to give a specific example of what range you're talking about.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the B5...it was between that and the B1 when I got mine. A bit too light/bright for my needs. Have fun!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adams A5 is a great horn. Also, I am really interested in the BAC new3 benge (KC)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getzen eterna matched with Reeves S cup/69 bbore .
Lethal combination for commercial gigs.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dewey wrote:
Adams A5 is a great horn. Also, I am really interested in the BAC new3 benge (KC)

Don't hold your breath.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dewey wrote:
Adams A5 is a great horn. Also, I am really interested in the BAC new3 benge (KC)


Then talk to Trent at ACB and see if he has a waiting list. They are only coming off the line super slow, and they seem to be going through Trent.

Be careful though: looking at your signature block, you are used to securely centering horns. The Schilke B5 so heavily endorsed here and to a lesser extent, the new Benge, will not be as willing to find the pitch center for you.

They are fantastic horns, but different from what you have gravitated to, so try before you buy when you can (sorry, doesn't seem to be an option with BAC right now).
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