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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:12 pm    Post subject: Ultrasonic cleaning and tuning Reply with quote

Can an ultrasonic cleaning affect the tuning of the instrument?

I took a rotor flugelhorn to the Luthier, he cleaned it, changed some corks, etc. and gave me back the instrument with the tuning totally out of tune.
From G down everything is high and from G up it is very low.

Before, the tuning was not perfect either, it is a Rott flugelhorn, but at least it was functional.

I blame the ultrasonic cleaning, I was wondering if anyone has had a similar experience.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the rotors valve alignment.
There might be 'witness' marks on the bearing plates and the shaft.
Also check that the bearing plates are in correct position, mark on plate and casing should align.
Remove valve slides and look to see port alignment.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Jay said. I doubt that the ultrasonic cleaning has anything to do with your problem. If the horn had debris inside of it, it could be playing a little more openly and the pitch dropping a little, but not what you describe.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much, I think I have figured out what was going on.

Rotor 1 got stuck sometimes, so the luthier decided to change the rotors in order, that way, don't ask me why, the rotors move fine, but the instrument doesn't tune, with the rotors in their order, the instrument tunes, more or less, but sometimes finger 1 gets stuck.

I never thought that the luthier had not assembled the instrument correctly.

Anyway, at Christmas I will take the instrument to one of the best luthiers in Spain, Felco Musical.

It is not the first time that I have bad experiences with some luthiers.

They all charge like professionals, but not all of them know how to do the job!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lu·thi·er

a maker of stringed instruments such as violins or guitars.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard III wrote:
lu·thi·er

a maker of stringed instruments such as violins or guitars.


Luthier in other languages means more than strings.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumpjerele wrote:
Thank you very much, I think I have figured out what was going on.

Rotor 1 got stuck sometimes, so the luthier decided to change the rotors in order, that way, don't ask me why, the rotors move fine, but the instrument doesn't tune, with the rotors in their order, the instrument tunes, more or less, but sometimes finger 1 gets stuck.

I never thought that the luthier had not assembled the instrument correctly.

Anyway, at Christmas I will take the instrument to one of the best luthiers in Spain, Felco Musical.

It is not the first time that I have bad experiences with some luthiers.

They all charge like professionals, but not all of them know how to do the job!


Putting the rotary valves back in the wrong order could certainly make it worse. Changing corks is also a place to look at; How well was it was done?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another possibility is that a leak opened up with the cleaning process. Have the next luthier check the instrument fully - especially in the connecting passages between the valves and in the bell itself.
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