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Jerry
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

annvill wrote:
...I consider the Bach 180 37 more difficult to play than the Yamaha Bobby Shew....

Me, too.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please note up front that I am not arguing otherwise, but I am surprised to find so many votes for the Bach 37.

Based solely on the numbers sold it doesn’t make sense. But I guess that 1% of 100,000 is larger than 1% of 1000 so maybe that accounts for it, if the assumption that numbers sold correlates at all with how it plays.

Again, not debating the opinions stated, just surprised.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: Hard trumpet Reply with quote

annvill wrote:
Can you give me a list of the 3 hardest trumpets to play?


I've played a bunch of different horns over the past 15 or so years. Some are preferable in certain settings/ensembles. Some have been difficult because of wear or damage. I have to say that the most difficult horns I've played have been the ones I could not hear while playing them.

It happened with a certain Burbank Benge 3X. I had to listen for myself in the monitor, because I had no discernible feedback from the horn.

I was handed early Harrelson trumpets on two occasions to try and both of them had so little feedback that I had no desire to try to perform with them.

I also agree with the poster above that cited Calicchio trumpets as hard to play. They feel very different in how they communicate with me as the player. I don't like that feeling, but I imagine I could get used to it, if I chose to do so. They are certainly regarded as great trumpets by those who use them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's:

Bach 37.....Yammie 6310Z....Getzen Eterna ML (Post 70's) !!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A vintage horn with worn valves will be a challenge to play, if that is what you mean.

I remember playing a student horn (forgot the name) years ago and it was incredibly stuffy.

Or maybe if you mean horns that have trouble responding in the upper registers, just play a vintage horn with an incompatible mouthpiece shank/taper and you will know what I mean.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Croquethed wrote:
The hardest trumpet to play is the one you put away after high school and try to play again when you're 30.

Or worse 60
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="SilverSpunk"

I remember playing a student horn (forgot the name) years ago and it was incredibly stuffy.[/quote]

Maybe it was a a Jupiter, because I had one on loan one time while my main horn was in for repair, and it was tremendously difficult to play.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 0.448" bore King Liberty

Any vintage horn with worn valves

A student's trumpet where the leadpipe venturi was choked down to about 0.150" due to years worth of accumulated...gunk....
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
She asked a sincere question.


Are you sure both about the question and about the she?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find my Bach 190S43 easier for me than my Bach 180S37. Both ML bore. Both horns tuned up and in great shape. Played with the same Stork mouthpiece.

I always could get a nice sound from the 180S37, but it was work, I felt like I fought with it, and never felt I had it figured out.

The 190S43 just seems to work for me. I am in control of my airflow (if that makes sense - it is the biggest differentiator for me). My articulation seems easier and can be delicate more easily.

YMMV, but this my very recent experience. I sold my 180S37 as a result of this.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This question cannot be answered. Different horns suit different players. And different levels of playing ability affect how a horn is perceived when tested.

I once owned a Mt. Vernon Bach that was dismissed by several amateur players as being “stuffy”. This trumpet was later sold to the principal trumpet player of one top symphony orchestras in this country, who loves it and uses it as his primary Bb.

Threads like this are fun, but I hope no one takes the opinions expressed by unknown (playing ability wise) posters as gospel.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shew Horn is a step bore & plays tighter than a standard Bach 37. So you may prefer a tighter horn. However; one could compensate for a more open blowing horn with a tighter mpc. There are many variables. What mpc do you play on?
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