he says Yamaha, and .. I need help figuring out

[oldlipguitarplayer]

My quest to purchase a bit better horn led me to a craigslist posting.
I responded. The owner sent me this info:
"It is inscribed "designed by Vincent Bach Bundy" and "The Selmer Company". It has two very slight dents. The case has a small plaque which reads "Yamaha." I am not sure of the age or where it was first purchased. It was given to me by a friend who knew that I once was learning to play a trumpet many years ago".
So, I requested a serial number and he sent me: 789038
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Any idea if this is a Yamaha or ?? What? It looks good in the photo. The seller lives a good distance from me, so I'm trying to do my research before a long drive.

[stuartissimo]

Hard to say without seeing pictures, but it seems plausible that only the case is made by Yamaha, and the trumpet is a different brand.

The 2nd post in this thread may contain useful information for you.
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[oldlipguitarplayer]

hard to say without seeing pictures, but it seems plausible that only the case is made by Yamaha, and the trumpet is a different brand
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how do I include a photo? I can copy and save photo, but then what .. can I post here ?

[Dayton]

To the best of my knowledge, the Bundy trumpets made by Bach were all student trumpets. Not sure what you are playing now, but a Bundy might not be much of a step up. If you are looking for a reliable used student-level horn you might first look to the Getzen 300 or 400-series or Yamaha's student trumpet line.

As for why it is in a Yamaha case, perhaps the original Bundy case was missing or in poor condition. It definitely is not a Yamaha trumpet.

Good luck!

[oldlipguitarplayer]

hard to say without seeing pictures, .....

https://nh.craigslist.org/msg/d/bennington-yamaha-trumpet/7564753203.html

[Irving]

It looks like a Bundy, but I would ask for a photo of the inscription just to be sure.

[plankowner110]

Looks like a typical old Bundy trumpet sitting in an old Yamaha case. All the features such as valve caps, finger buttons, horn design and shape all say Bundy. I've seen hundreds of these over the years.
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[huntman10]

Yes, it is a Bundy. Probably 40 years old, or thereabouts. Easily worth about $75 from a less than knowledgeable seller with no way of insuring quality and condition, unless there is something I am missing.
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[cheiden]

I liked my new Bundy plenty when I was in junior high. But it's unlikely to be a step up for you unless your current horn is pretty lousy. I wouldn't gamble on an old student model.
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[invisiblehand]

[JayKosta]

I'm a little concerned about the 'red splotches' on the tuning slide - repair, or metal tarnish / deterioration?

Regardless, it looks like a typical decent quality student (beginner) level trumpet. If the mechanical parts all work ok and the valves aren't way out of alignment it would likely play adequately for amateur groups.

I wouldn't travel more than 1 gallon of gas (round trip) with expectation of it being more than 'decent beginner level'.

If there are issues with your current horn, explain here and you might get some easy inexpensive DIY suggestions for improvement.
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[trickg]

I love all of the posters on here who I guess are trying to hedge their bets or not say something that may not be right.

The simple answer is that it's a Selmer/Bach Bundy in a Yamaha case. I garnered that much from the original post, and I didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that out.

Second, if you're looking for a "better sounding" horn, while I suppose that's subjective, I'm not sure you're going to get it from a Bundy. I have yet to see a Bundy that was little more than an entry level instrument that was designed as an abuse absorber first, and an instrument second.

The serial number is pretty much immaterial - Bundys are tanks that don't play particularly well. They are designed for beginning players to use as an entry level instrument that's tough enough to take the abuse those kids will invariably dish out, and they play poorly enough so Mom and Dad will fork out money for a step-up horn after a few years. Bach has a lock on the aspiring HS kid market with the Stradivarius, and that's the next logical progression - Bundy to a Strad, with sometimes a TR300 or Mercedes in between. At least that's what most unknowing HS directors will tell the parents.

Sorry - if it sounds like I'm a bit jaded, perhaps I am, but IMO you should steer clear of that Bundy and look for a better deal elsewhere.
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[Christian K. Peters]

Hello all,
Did Bundy make a balanced looking trumpet??? I would pass on this one. There has to be better student horns out there.
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[OldSchoolEuph]

I think the camera angle skews how it looks a bit.

Bach's 1962 design for the Bundy trumpet was built through the 1970s. They are solid and decent student horns which competed with assorted Conn Director models to dominate beginning band rooms for decades. Still, were I looking for "a bit better", I would probably seek a non-student instrument in the vintage market before buying even a good student horn.

It is the same as this Bundy.

http://www.trumpet-history.com/Virtual%20Museum_files/newpic140.JPG
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[trickg]

This thread has become borderline comical. It's like we're trying to determine the breed and age of the cow that dropped the manure.

IT'S A BUNDY! WHO CARES!?

Is it vintage? Maybe, but ultimately it's still a student model trumpet of little to no value either monetarily or as a playable instrument, and the smartest call on this, for this particular situation, is a hard pass... In my opinion.
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[delano]

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[Robert P]

[Andy Cooper]

This is not a "vintage" trumpet. It's a 42 or so year old "old" student trumpet from a questionable period of time. In the 60's Bundy's had some of the best student valves with 2 point guides. Some time in the late 70's they decided to go to 1 point valve guides and ended up producing "bugles". To fix the sticking valves they simply put in stronger springs which were difficult for 5th graders to use. I'm not sure exactly when they got this straightened out since the store I worked for gave up and started selling Kings and Holtons and Holton/Yamahas.


https://www.adams-music.com/en/repair_and_maintenance/serial_numbers/buescher_bundy

I'd drive to my local pawn shop first and try to find a Getzen, King, Jupiter, Yamaha, or Holton trumpet. Take some valve oil.