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coloradomacs
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Im looking for a new raw brass horn that'll really give me that dark fluffy smokey tone I'm looking for around $5k any suggestions?
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Thane Performance with the large bell taper.
Lotus Solo or Universal Max.
Edwards X-13.
Here’s a picture of my raw Thane Performance, large red brass bell.
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Rotary trumpet with matching mouthpiece?
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I would check out the Van Laar Oiram light II. It has a 72 bell, warm as fire 😊 And it’s not light as in light.
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In discussions like these, the Martin Bohme Tumultus seems to crop up in the same breath as the Thane Performance. Here's a link with a sample video:
https://klangwerkstatt-boehme.de/en/instrumente-2/tumultus-2/
(NOTE: This is the regular Tumultus, not the Tumultus-LL, which is designed for lead playing.)
Other than that, check out YouTube for sample videos by Trent Austin of Austin Custom Brass. He demos a lot of the horns he sells; you may get some ideas on other available options.
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OldSchoolEuph
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| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Raw Brass Trumpet |
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| coloradomacs wrote: | | Im looking for a new raw brass horn that'll really give me that dark fluffy smokey tone I'm looking for around $5k any suggestions? |
There are a handful of custom shops around the country. These are run by folks who are players first, but have a real interest in, and have devoted considerable energy learning about, the elements of design. Some have relationships with one or more custom or semi-custom maker, some are the maker, and many blur those lines. But they personally identify with how the right tool for the uniqueness of each individual supports optimum playing.
Finding one close to you is a good idea (my go-to is in Austin, I'm in Detroit - it's a pain), but finding someone who also identifies with you genre and style preferences is also key.
Finding a good custom shop will help you find a perfect fit. Buying what someone else thinks is the perfect fit will help only about as much as random buying off the shelf from a major maker. If you want a professional tool, you need professional help finding it.
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| Halflip wrote: | In discussions like these, the Martin Bohme Tumultus seems to crop up in the same breath as the Thane Performance. Here's a link with a sample video:
https://klangwerkstatt-boehme.de/en/instrumente-2/tumultus-2/
(NOTE: This is the regular Tumultus, not the Tumultus-LL, which is designed for lead playing.)
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I have never heard of the Tumultus and searching this site using Google doesn’t come up with any hits.
I’m not challenging but were those discussions here? |
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LittleRusty
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Did the same search and found the posts. A glitch in the matrix? I certainly could have messed up, but I am pretty sure I did the same search.
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chef8489
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| Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Raw Brass Trumpet |
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| OldSchoolEuph wrote: | | coloradomacs wrote: | | Im looking for a new raw brass horn that'll really give me that dark fluffy smokey tone I'm looking for around $5k any suggestions? |
There are a handful of custom shops around the country. These are run by folks who are players first, but have a real interest in, and have devoted considerable energy learning about, the elements of design. Some have relationships with one or more custom or semi-custom maker, some are the maker, and many blur those lines. But they personally identify with how the right tool for the uniqueness of each individual supports optimum playing.
Finding one close to you is a good idea (my go-to is in Austin, I'm in Detroit - it's a pain), but finding someone who also identifies with you genre and style preferences is also key.
Finding a good custom shop will help you find a perfect fit. Buying what someone else thinks is the perfect fit will help only about as much as random buying off the shelf from a major maker. If you want a professional tool, you need professional help finding it. |
Is the shop you are talking about Austin Winds? If so I have been there a few times while I lived down in the area while I was still in the military.
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| Halflip wrote: | In discussions like these, the Martin Bohme Tumultus seems to crop up in the same breath as the Thane Performance. Here's a link with a sample video:
https://klangwerkstatt-boehme.de/en/instrumente-2/tumultus-2/
(NOTE: This is the regular Tumultus, not the Tumultus-LL, which is designed for lead playing.)
Other than that, check out YouTube for sample videos by Trent Austin of Austin Custom Brass. He demos a lot of the horns he sells; you may get some ideas on other available options. |
This is the top of my recommendation.
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I play the Tumultus and it is a pretty warm sound. Not crazy dark. But smooth. I play the GR Louis Dowdeswell T3.0 with it - but I have the flugel v-shaped cup corresponding GR for it for when I want it to sound almost like a flugelhorn.
Having said that, the silkiest, fluffiest, darkest sounding trumpet I ever owned was an Adams A4 with a 0.50 Red Brass bell. It was too dark, no joke. So I sold it.
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You can pick up a Del Quadro Grizzly in the $3200 range. I've used it in section work too with a Shew Jazz and it fit in fine. The mouthpiece really makes a huge difference when looking for that smoky sound. A Bach 3 is a good place to start. Not a 3C, it's what Chris Botti plays. A 3B is also good. You might try one of the hybrid designs from Schilke. Or the Patrick RB3B. Surprisingly, I've found some very small mouthpieces can produce the tone you're looking for, and I suspect Miles Davis achieved this in the studio and when using a microphone live. A Benge 10.5C I have is pretty cool, and the Yamaha John Hagstrom piece with my Martin Committee is awesome! Good luck in your quest.
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