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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 2:53 pm    Post subject: Slotting a high F Reply with quote

I’ve been working on range above high C
I can hit an E and when I try to play F above high C it goes to G
And I can’t seem to hit the F cleanly. I’m using 1st fingering. Any suggestions?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your approach? Scales? Arpeggios? Octave glissandi? I prefer a chromatic approach for helping a student in building their upper register. Along those lines, you could try C-C chromatic, C#-C#, D-D, etc., and to practice these on the softer side until the vibration is pure and solid on those notes. This helps generate the foundation of a small aperture, which is needed to generate notes in the double register. You can always build your volume later.

One thing to also check is the intonation on high Eb and E. Those notes often tend to sit on the low side. Then the high F will often be a little on the sharp side, but I've rarely seen players kick their 1st slide out on it. Your ear may be hearing where that note should be, but the equipment & approach may be causing you to skip over the F to the G, because it is not working in your favor, yet.

If your "mixture" of mpc/tpt/blow is not a good one, then it could mean some change is in order. Before doing any of that, though, you might consider visiting with a Reinhardt Method specialist to be sure that your "mechanics" are in top form. The movement you do with the mpc/lips (as one unit) "gliding" on the teeth (as the "inner embouchure") can be huge when it comes to getting high notes to slot properly.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2023 4:49 pm    Post subject: Slotting a high F Reply with quote

Hello all,
Might check the gap of mp to venturi. Too small (no gap), too big (1/4 inch or bigger would be a hinder.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since it is a 1/2 step from E to F, it might that you are giving a little too much 'oomph' to the adjustment.
Maybe try 'sliding' up to the F instead of 'jumping'.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play E 1/2 to F 1
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is practice.

Some horns do not slot certain notes well - especially the higher you are playing. If your horn/mouthpiece was off that far, you would have trouble with more notes that just that one.

You must work out why you do not hit that note. You must hear that note and make any adjustment and that comes with diligent practice. Accurate high range does not come overnight. As BillyB notes, use different fingerings.

Don't worry how it feels, just how you want it to sound.

No horn and mouthpiece combination is perfect. Something is going to be off somewhere. It is practice which trains you to hit notes you couldn't before.

There is no magic, just practice.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some trumpets don't slot that F well, and sometimes it's a personal thing.

Back when I was working on range I had this thing that was a bit confounding with E and F. If I was nailing the E I had issues slotting the F. If I was nailing the F I had issues slotting the E.

I don't think there's any magic trick or tip - I think it's going to be a matter of dialing it in by working on it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try working down from above.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Slotting a high F Reply with quote

Trumpet^12^ wrote:
I’ve been working on range above high C
I can hit an E and when I try to play F above high C it goes to G
And I can’t seem to hit the F cleanly. I’m using 1st fingering. Any suggestions?

Thanks

By the time you're at an F over high C the partials are really close together so it gets harder to hit the target accurately. What's the top of your range? The more range you have over F the better.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the feedback.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:27 pm    Post subject: High F Reply with quote

When I was working with Charlie Shavers he (I think he was being serious) said "Everything above high C is open". Of course he had tremendous range so it may very well have been a tongue in cheek comment to a young kid.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some good advice already given-in addition, horns can all play differently in the upper register. On my horn, G and F# above high C don't always slot easily, so I'll sometimes play F# fingered 2 and 3, and G fingered 3. You may have better luck fingering F as 1 and 3. Just a thought....
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