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How to identify the exact model of a Kanstul Besson?



 
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Raki
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:06 pm    Post subject: How to identify the exact model of a Kanstul Besson? Reply with quote

Just found a Besson trumpet when I wandering in local shop, tbh it is appealing to me,the condition is fine and it just play well. The owner ask $300 for it,I think this one is worth the price.

The question is this trumpet has no clear evidence to show what model it is,logo in the bell is only "BESSON USA"and no other thing. I checked on the internet and found out it's a Kanstul Besson made in 2003 in 5 digit serial number but beside that I barely know anything about it.yesthe owner,the shop gup and me,we didn't figure it out at all,so if you guys have some clue please help me.

features:

-serial number 23973
-1st valve saddle and 3rd valve slide ring
-only“BESSON USA" on the bell
-double rubber water key
-one brace on main tuning slide

Here's some pic for you guys can see,sorry for I don't really know how to send pictures.


https://ibb.co/wrqdqLm
https://ibb.co/6b2LyRn
https://ibb.co/k37pc4Y
https://ibb.co/kD7wKBv


Thanks for any advice or help.
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Liberty Lips
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2023 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the photos it looks like you have an F. Besson 800 "International" trumpet, although all of the Internationals that I’ve seen lack a tuning slide brace, and they usually have "International Series" stamped on the bell. It is nearly identical to the Kanstul 900 except the 900 has a reversed leadpipe and also lacks the tuning slide brace.

It’s possible that the tuning slide brace was added later, or it was special-ordered with that custom option. Perhaps the "International" stamp was left off because if was a one-off. Anyway, if it is an International, it’s an excellent horn, looks to be in excellent shape from the photos, and you’ve gotten a great deal.

There were some Besson Internationals that weren’t manufactured by Kanstul that aren’t good instruments. If a Besson was made in the U.S., it was made by Kanstul.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: How to identify the exact model of a Kanstul Besson? Reply with quote

Raki wrote:
Just found a Besson trumpet when I wandering in local shop, tbh it is appealing to me,the condition is fine and it just play well. The owner ask $300 for it,I think this one is worth the price.

The question is this trumpet has no clear evidence to show what model it is,logo in the bell is only "BESSON USA"and no other thing. I checked on the internet and found out it's a Kanstul Besson made in 2003 in 5 digit serial number but beside that I barely know anything about it.yesthe owner,the shop gup and me,we didn't figure it out at all,so if you guys have some clue please help me.

features:

-serial number 23973
-1st valve saddle and 3rd valve slide ring
-only“BESSON USA" on the bell
-double rubber water key
-one brace on main tuning slide

Here's some pic for you guys can see,sorry for I don't really know how to send pictures.


https://ibb.co/wrqdqLm
https://ibb.co/6b2LyRn
https://ibb.co/k37pc4Y
https://ibb.co/kD7wKBv


Thanks for any advice or help.


That certainly looks like a Kanstul to me. Kanstul case, Kanstul valve block, and the black rubber covers on the water keys.

I would guess that it's either a 809 or 909. A 709 would have an adjustable 3rd slide ring and Internationals and 800s don't have a tuning slide brace. I owned two Internationals once. One had a medium bore.
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