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musicman2k
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 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:05 am Post subject: State of Calicchio |
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Hello All,
My name is Matt Simianer and I am the person that John willed Calicchio to upon his passing. I worked with John for around 6 years and 4 years daily.
Just so we are all on the same page I am also the Director of Operations for B.A.C. Musical Instruments and RMI,LLC and owner of Resilience Oils.
Common questions that are randomly asked - Why would John will you this company? Well...In working with John for many years we grew a friendship and worked on many projects and horns together. When he knew his health had started to go south he told me that he was going to will me the company and I asked him why? He said because you can figure it out.
This may seem like an odd response, but for someone who came from nowhere western Nebraska and grew up fixing things and working on stuff it makes a lot of sense. The tooling and things needed to revive it are going to take money and time. We have slowly worked on this over the years as orders have come in, but its lifeblood begins and ends with what I can afford and what makes sense for all parties involved.
There are less and less people every day manufacturing in this industry and if you hadn't been apart of Calicchio or worked with John the manufacturing styles are drastically different from other brands so it isn't as easy as plug and play. A lot of it takes more steps and a lot more sweat.
Another questions: Why did it not go to his family? John's family is very small and all later in years. Johns daughter had worked with John in Tulsa while they were doing it and has her own life and family and has no interest in trying to make a run at a dead company.
What do you plan to do with all this stuff?
As of right now, do what B.A.C. had been doing while John was alive...supply parts and support the brand as much as possible.
In the future - John and I were working on a line of mouthpieces based off of Domenicks mouthpiece tooling that would be a standard set up rather than trying to refabricate all of the artist mouthpieces or try any of that.
It made more sense to offer a few mouthpieces for Symphonic, Jazz and Lead and go from there.
Financially it makes the most sense as it will help bring money into the company and help retool and push the brand forward.
These are all going to manufactured by Pickett. Tracking originals down was a chore in itself and having to make some new tooling, etc..etc... so it has taken around 4 years to finally get some working pieces.
Peter is working on the first order now and they will hopefully be out in the next month or so...
The website will be https://www.calicchio-williams.com/ I have spent a lot of time posting information and pictures that were from all the era's of Calicchio and if anyone has any other pictures or information I would be more than happy to post it as well. It is not active yet as I need to update the Williams side as John Noxon has recently passed and he was the main person I was spearheading all of that stuff with.
I believe that is enough for now. I can be emailed at matt@calicchio-williams.com and will try and respond on here to pertinent questions and will clarify things that aren't clear.
Thank you for your time. |
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hi matt
thank you for the update and getting us up to speed
i wish you the best of luck
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I'd like to look at your new Web site but a password request comes up first.
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| yourbrass wrote: | I'd like to look at your new Web site but a password request comes up first.
-Lionel |
He did say it's not live yet.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: State of Calicchio |
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| musicman2k wrote: | Hello All,
My name is Matt Simianer and I am the person that John willed Calicchio to upon his passing. I worked with John for around 6 years and 4 years daily.
Just so we are all on the same page I am also the Director of Operations for B.A.C. Musical Instruments and RMI,LLC and owner of Resilience Oils.
Common questions that are randomly asked - Why would John will you this company? Well...In working with John for many years we grew a friendship and worked on many projects and horns together. When he knew his health had started to go south he told me that he was going to will me the company and I asked him why? He said because you can figure it out.
This may seem like an odd response, but for someone who came from nowhere western Nebraska and grew up fixing things and working on stuff it makes a lot of sense. The tooling and things needed to revive it are going to take money and time. We have slowly worked on this over the years as orders have come in, but its lifeblood begins and ends with what I can afford and what makes sense for all parties involved.
There are less and less people every day manufacturing in this industry and if you hadn't been apart of Calicchio or worked with John the manufacturing styles are drastically different from other brands so it isn't as easy as plug and play. A lot of it takes more steps and a lot more sweat.
Another questions: Why did it not go to his family? John's family is very small and all later in years. Johns daughter had worked with John in Tulsa while they were doing it and has her own life and family and has no interest in trying to make a run at a dead company.
What do you plan to do with all this stuff?
As of right now, do what B.A.C. had been doing while John was alive...supply parts and support the brand as much as possible.
In the future - John and I were working on a line of mouthpieces based off of Domenicks mouthpiece tooling that would be a standard set up rather than trying to refabricate all of the artist mouthpieces or try any of that.
It made more sense to offer a few mouthpieces for Symphonic, Jazz and Lead and go from there.
Financially it makes the most sense as it will help bring money into the company and help retool and push the brand forward.
These are all going to manufactured by Pickett. Tracking originals down was a chore in itself and having to make some new tooling, etc..etc... so it has taken around 4 years to finally get some working pieces.
Peter is working on the first order now and they will hopefully be out in the next month or so...
The website will be https://www.calicchio-williams.com/ I have spent a lot of time posting information and pictures that were from all the era's of Calicchio and if anyone has any other pictures or information I would be more than happy to post it as well. It is not active yet as I need to update the Williams side as John Noxon has recently passed and he was the main person I was spearheading all of that stuff with.
I believe that is enough for now. I can be emailed at matt@calicchio-williams.com and will try and respond on here to pertinent questions and will clarify things that aren't clear.
Thank you for your time. |
Thank YOU! We appreciate you.
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| kevin_soda wrote: | | yourbrass wrote: | I'd like to look at your new Web site but a password request comes up first.
-Lionel |
He did say it's not live yet. |
OK, sorry about that!
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Is it possible to purchase a new Caliccho 1S/2?
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| ldwoods wrote: | | Is it possible to purchase a new Caliccho 1S/2? |
Based solely on checking into the website, I'd say no - it doesn't appear they are making trumpets.
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| trickg wrote: | | ldwoods wrote: | | Is it possible to purchase a new Caliccho 1S/2? |
Based solely on checking into the website, I'd say no - it doesn't appear they are making trumpets. |
Yes, the link in the new owner of Calicchio’s post doesn’t seem to show any horns for sale. He also stated in his post “We have slowly worked on this over the years as orders have come in, but its lifeblood begins and ends with what I can afford and what makes sense for all parties involved.”
Even though that post was from a year ago it doesn’t leave much chance they are up and running by now. |
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Charley Davis is said to make excellent trumpets, one of which uses a 1s bell and 2 leadpipe. Bob Reeves offers them for sale on his website:
https://trumpetmouthpiece.com/collections/instruments/products/charley-davis-trumpet
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Thanks for the update. My 1s/2 is a forever horn for sure; nothing else compares to the way that thing sounds and blows.
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Master Jabroni
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I don't think you can use the name Calicchio when describing the Charlie Davis horns. I heard that the people who now own the name will sue anyone that uses the name Calicchio on any instrument or parts as a description.
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Halflip
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| Master Jabroni wrote: | | I don't think you can use the name Calicchio when describing the Charlie Davis horns. I heard that the people who now own the name will sue anyone that uses the name Calicchio on any instrument or parts as a description. |
You must be right; looking back at the Bob Reeves website, the verbiage on the Charley Davis horn page scrupulously sidesteps any mention of brands, alluding only to "prized instruments crafted by artisans long ago". I'm not sure this applies to private individuals who neither manufacture, advertise, nor sell horns, but simply make relative comments when discussing different brands. If it does, some folks who posted to the following thread should take note:
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161881&highlight=charley+davis
Having pointed this out, would you mind deleting your quote of my post? (I will go back and edit my posts.)
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| There is a current trademark on the name Calicchio registered in June 2022. |
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| Master Jabroni wrote: |
I don't think you can use the name Calicchio when describing the Charlie Davis horns. I heard that the people who now own the name will sue anyone that uses the name Calicchio on any instrument or parts as a description. |
It looks like the Calicchio trademark is still live.
The Chuck Levin's 1S listing does in fact mention “Calicchio” in the description, and part of that description is pretty much a literal rip of Calicchio's Tulsa marketing copy (archived here). I wouldn’t know if this represents a trademark violation though:
| Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center wrote: |
The 1S Bell is the bell that set the standard for all commercial bells to follow. Developed in the 60's by Domenic Calicchio to meet the demands of studio trumpet players in Los Angeles, it remains the mainstay of the professional commercial trumpet playing community to this day. Its unique bell flare design gives projection, focus and sound quality unsurpassed in the industry. It can be played with any leadpipe and will produce the core, density and sparkle that has been cherished by top professionals for over 40 years. |
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For what it's worth: the Charley Davis 1S2 trumpet visually looks subtly different than the Calicchio 1S/2s I’ve ever seen. The bell bow is noticeably rounder on Charley’s version, the 1st valve saddle isn’t symmetric, and the leadpipe has two tuning slide braces instead of one (though two wasn't unheard of on some configs).
I also want to say the tuning slide crook on Charley's instrument looks a little more square versus the iconic Calicchio "D" crook, but that's harder to tell from the pictures. Also hard to tell the bell flare and french bead differences. $20 says Charley's valves probably work better out of the box. Would love to try it someday though!
See the Tulsa Calicchio 1S2 vs. Charley’s 1S2. |
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| Chadwick wrote: | | For what it's worth: the Charley Davis 1S2 trumpet visually looks subtly different . . . the 1st valve saddle isn’t symmetric . . . |
In fact, the Charley Davis 1st valve saddle looks like a characteristic Kanstul design (see the saddles on the Flip Oakes Wild Thing and Callet Superchops trumpets for comparison), as do the water keys with the soft plastic tail covers. I hope the demise of Kanstul hasn't impacted Charley Davis horn production.
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I played the Charley Davis 1S/2 copy at Washington Music Center last summer and really liked it. I do not know who built the valve section, but it is not Kanstul.
I've always wanted a Calicchio for horn section playing but I was always scared away by horror stories of Calicchio valves. A modern interpretation with modern mechanics sounds attractive.
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| F.E. Olds Nut wrote: | I played the Charley Davis 1S/2 copy at Washington Music Center last summer and really liked it. I do not know who built the valve section, but it is not Kanstul.
I've always wanted a Calicchio for horn section playing but I was always scared away by horror stories of Calicchio valves. A modern interpretation with modern mechanics sounds attractive. |
I believe they are Carol valves. I played 2 before Kanstul closed that they build and both had Carol blocks.
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Calicchio made the horn that Benge wishes it could have made. Severely pitchy like the vast majority of old horns, and the valves leave a lot to be desired, but the sound is classic if that's what you're chasing.
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| Just_Another_Hack wrote: | | Calicchio made the horn that Benge wishes it could have made. Severely pitchy like the vast majority of old horns, and the valves leave a lot to be desired, but the sound is classic if that's what you're chasing. |
I'm pretty sure Benge made the horn they wanted to. Those old Benges are highly regarded for their sound and agility with the downsides that they had a long valve stroke and some intonation quirks, but most Bb trumpets do have intonation quirks.
The most in-tune Bbs I've ever played are Schilkes, but that actually made them "interesting" to play in a section full of Bachs and Yamahas because those horns typically have the same intonation quirks that Schilke mostly corrected.
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