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yoelarry
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HELP !!
My 1954 Martin Committee Trumpet will not tune to 440 A.
I play either a Curry 3C mouthpiece or my JetTone Studio 10 MD . If I play my B to tune to A 440 with all the slides completely in the horn is still flat. The compression is great. Valves tight and no leakage.
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That sounds bizarre. Maybe get another accomplished trumpet player to play it and see if s/he has the same or different results.
I would also give it a thorough cleaning although I don't see how that would fix the overall pitch, that's at least eliminating one other possibility. Likewise, I doubt that this the problem, but your mouthpiece just might be too big for you.
If all else fails, see your local tech for an in-person blow.
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Will the open 'trumpet C' tune to Bb on the electroninc tuner?
With the open C tuned to concert Bb, can you play good sounding major scales?
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yoelarry
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| If I play a B on my trumpet with the slides all the way in. I am still too flat to tune to A 440. |
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| JayKosta wrote: | Will the open 'trumpet C' tune to Bb on the electroninc tuner?
With the open C tuned to concert Bb, can you play good sounding major scales? |
This is an excellent question as it is normal to tune the open horn.
In the OP’s case this could resolve to something as simple as the second valve crook being too long. But we won’t know if that is possible until the OP answers the question.
Also having someone else, especially someone accomplished, play the instrument and see the same issue exists would be a step closer to answering the OP’s question.
I am assuming that the OP is not new based on the terms (s)he uses, but if (s)he is that might be contributing to the issue. |
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kehaulani
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | This is an excellent question as it is normal to tune the open horn. |
Which brings up another point. Are all other notes also flat?
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yoelarry
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I only tried tuning to a A440 app tuner. |
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Man Of Constant Sorrow
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Bizarre.
Calls for a Conn Strobe-0-Tune.
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One possibility could be that the mouthpipe ("leadpipe" to the uninitiated) may have been shortened at some point ... as in a careless repair, where the pipe was cut, and re-attached.
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| Man Of Constant Sorrow wrote: | | One possibility could be that the mouthpipe ("leadpipe" to the uninitiated) may have been shortened at some point ... as in a careless repair, where the pipe was cut, and re-attached. |
This is VERY possible, I've seen a few Committees that had their leadpipes shortened. If that is the case then the OP should look into a replaceable leadpipe. |
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| Man Of Constant Sorrow wrote: | | One possibility could be that the mouthpipe ("leadpipe" to the uninitiated) may have been shortened at some point ... as in a careless repair, where the pipe was cut, and re-attached. |
If the mouthpipe is shortened, the horn should become sharp, not flat, right?
To me, it has happened that horns have been too flat, and I had to have them fixed by cutting the tuning slide a bit.
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| I’d double check that my tuner is actually at A440 and not some higher standard. I’d also check to see if some transpose button was pressed on it. |
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| JoseLindE4 wrote: | | I’d double check that my tuner is actually at A440 and not some higher standard. I’d also check to see if some transpose button was pressed on it. |
Try to compare with another horn, both played by you. I normally play with a low-centered pitch (not necessarily a bad thing), and have had issues with more than one horn.
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| A_Ason wrote: | | Man Of Constant Sorrow wrote: | | One possibility could be that the mouthpipe ("leadpipe" to the uninitiated) may have been shortened at some point ... as in a careless repair, where the pipe was cut, and re-attached. |
If the mouthpipe is shortened, the horn should become sharp, not flat, right?
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Hmmm ...  Yes - I believe you are correct. My mistake.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:36 am Post subject: FLAT |
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I would suggest contacting Charlie Melk. His repair work is second to none, and he makes replica lead pipes for Committees, if that's what is needed.
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This should start with the basics, not one note.
First visual inspection: are there indications of resoldering on the horn? Does the mouthpiece seat properly? Are there an large dents? Does the spit key leak?
Next, spend $15 for a Korg pocket tuner on Amazon and then
- Start with open tuning C (will show as Bb)
- The progress to other partials up (shows as D and F) and down (shows a F and Bb)
- Do the same for second valve (A, up to C# and E, down to E and A)
- Then 1st (Ab /\ C, Eb, \/ Eb, Ab)
- then 3rd (G (may be a hair flat) /\ B, D (these will be flat) \/ D, G)
Map the horn.
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BTW - Leadpipe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadpipe
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| Forget the pocket tuner - just find a piano that has been tuned recently. |
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kehaulani
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And what's wrong with a pocket tuner?
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| Liberty Lips wrote: | | Forget the pocket tuner - just find a piano that has been tuned recently. |
Pianos are expensive and much harder to carry around in your pocket when compared to the pocket tuner.  |
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