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Ronnman
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yoelarry - back on June 30, 2023 you posted having the same tuning (flat) issue with a 1964 Martin Committee trumpet. Please fill us in, are you flat on two different horns, or did you have a typo 54 vs 64? If two different horns I would suspect your tuning app, pocket tuner , or their settings.
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| Ronnman wrote: | | yoelarry - back on June 30, 2023 you posted having the same tuning (flat) issue with a 1964 Martin Committee trumpet. |
If that's the case, what did you do to remedy that problem?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Ronnman wrote: | | yoelarry - back on June 30, 2023 you posted having the same tuning (flat) issue with a 1964 Martin Committee trumpet. |
If that's the case, what did you do to remedy that problem? |
It’s the same instrument. The date was corrected in the other thread.
| dwgib wrote: | | yoelarry wrote: | | The first 3 serial #’s are 188… |
That makes it a 1954 |
Based on the contents of these two threads I think it is time to consult with a shop, teacher or an accomplished trumpet player.
Especially after this comment in the other thread which seems to point the OP is relatively new to the trumpet. (Not meaning to offend)
| yoelarry wrote: | Oh, maaaan-
I thought 440A was a G on B flat trumpet… now I found out that it is a
B on B flat trumpet. I don’t get it.
Can anyone explain this to me please? |
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Ronnman
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It’s the same instrument. The date was corrected in the other thread.
| dwgib wrote: | | yoelarry wrote: | | The first 3 serial #’s are 188… |
That makes it a 1954 |
Based on the contents of these two threads I think it is time to consult with a shop, teacher or an accomplished trumpet player.
Especially after this comment in the other thread which seems to point the OP is relatively new to the trumpet. (Not meaning to offend)
| yoelarry wrote: | Oh, maaaan-
I thought 440A was a G on B flat trumpet… now I found out that it is a
B on B flat trumpet. I don’t get it.
Can anyone explain this to me please? |
LittleRusty - thanks for clarification on the date, as I glossed over that post. It does seem that the OP does not make timely responses to comments and questions or goes just goes dark on the post.
I think the OP needs to bring the trumpet to a more experienced player or a tech to determine if the horn has a problem.
Ron
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One question for the OP:
Have you been doing a lot of work on pedal notes, lately? I started doing octave intervals between in register and below register notes. Before I knew what was going on, I had my tuning slide pushed in so far, only about 1/16" was left showing.
It turns out that it was my embouchure set. Once I stopped warming up in the pedal range and focussed on in-staff and above staff playing, my tuning slide came back out to its normal (for me) place.
Are you trying to channel Chris Botti?? 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:57 am Post subject: Re: FLAT |
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| Brent wrote: | | I would suggest contacting Charlie Melk. His repair work is second to none, and he makes replica lead pipes for Committees, if that's what is needed. |
Excellent suggestion! I have a '54 Committee that plays beautifully. When I found the horn, the leadpipe was bent (and not in good condition). I had Charlie replace it with his replica lead pipe and receiver. I'll add that it's important to have someone who knows the Committee to properly set the receiver. Charlie is the expert. You might have him check the valve alignment while you're at it.
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Take it to a good tech, not to a chain music store tech. He should be able to tell you what could be wrong with it (or if it's just you). I took a 1946 Committee to a trusted tech right after I got it at an estate sale a few months ago, just to see if he noticed anything that I had to worry about.
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One thing, silly and unlikely, but worth checking. A lot of those tuner apps have transposition options to read the instrument's own 'native' note names on the screen, instead of concert pitch. Maybe, it's set for something other than a Bb instrument and giving you false concerns?
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Anthony G
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:30 pm Post subject: Trumpet playing flat |
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| Yoel, before jumping to any conclusions, have some one else try your trumpet and see what they think. |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | JayKosta wrote: | Will the open 'trumpet C' tune to Bb on the electroninc tuner?
With the open C tuned to concert Bb, can you play good sounding major scales? |
This is an excellent question as it is normal to tune the open horn.
In the OP’s case this could resolve to something as simple as the second valve crook being too long. But we won’t know if that is possible until the OP answers the question.
Also having someone else, especially someone accomplished, play the instrument and see the same issue exists would be a step closer to answering the OP’s question.
I am assuming that the OP is not new based on the terms (s)he uses, but if (s)he is that might be contributing to the issue. |
I don't believe that the OP ever posted back regarding whether they had the same issue when tuning to C/concert Bb. I think that this is the first thing to confirm, even though it was months back in this thread.
Take care and best wishes
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The second slide by itself could never be long enough to do what he described.if he plays “Low on the pitch” which means basically always lipping down a bit, and the horn was leaky it could make the pitch take a drastic nose-dive and be really flat. You can lip down really far when the horn is leaky. It’s one of the tests you do when checking out an old horn… see how far down you can lip the notes.
It’s not possible that the tubing of the horn is too long. That would make it that flat unless it was like an inch or more too long. That’s not going to happen. The variation in tubing length is gonna be maybe .100 at the most. Over the whole horn.
He’s got (1)leaky valves, or one leaky valve on the opposite side of the where the slides are. That would make the slide compression Ok while the other side leaks like crazy. That could be from a “repair”. I’ve seen some “tech” do brutal things to horns to get the valves to go up and down.
(2) leaky water key cork. That sneaks up on you
(3) open seam somewhere where the solder came undone
But most likely its the valves or valve
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